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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:50 pm    Post subject: Elevator Pushrod Priming? Reply with quote

Has anyone primed the inside of their elevator pushrod per Van’s recommendation? If so, any quick and easy methods anyone’s discovered? I actually can’t imagine why this is a recommendation unless you live in a salt water climate.

Thanks in advance..

Bob O.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:39 pm    Post subject: Elevator Pushrod Priming? Reply with quote

I did. Using a string I pulled some pads back and forth through to scuff, did the same with some rags to clean, then soaked a rag with primer and pulled it through a couple of times.

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Has anyone primed the inside of their elevator pushrod per Van’s recommendation?  If so, any quick and easy methods anyone’s discovered?  I actually can’t imagine why this is a recommendation unless you live in a salt water climate.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:18 pm    Post subject: Elevator Pushrod Priming? Reply with quote

I primed mine per the instructions.  I don't think it's so much "salt water climate" as much as that no one is ever gonna look in there ever again.  And if it somehow did fail, it would be really bad.  So it should be as reliable as possible.

--Dave
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Has anyone primed the inside of their elevator pushrod per Van’s recommendation?  If so, any quick and easy methods anyone’s discovered?  I actually can’t imagine why this is a recommendation unless you live in a salt water climate.
 
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:44 pm    Post subject: Elevator Pushrod Priming? Reply with quote

Keep in mind that the parts for the pushrod are not Alclad, and thus do
not have the corrosion resistance of the exterior skins. I wouldn't be
surprised if the tube and end caps are different Al alloys.
Van's limits primer recommendations to a very small portion of the kit,
to just those parts that have some risk of corrosion in damp air.

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I primed mine per the instructions.  I don't think it's so much "salt
water climate" as much as that no one is ever gonna look in there ever
again.  And if it somehow did fail, it would be really bad.  So it
should be as reliable as possible.

--Dave

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Has anyone primed the inside of their elevator pushrod per Van’s
recommendation?  If so, any quick and easy methods anyone’s
discovered?  I actually can’t imagine why this is a recommendation
unless you live in a salt water climate.____

__ __

Thanks in advance..____

__ __

Bob O.____




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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Elevator Pushrod Priming? Reply with quote

Dave Saylor wrote:
I primed mine per the instructions.  I don't think it's so much "salt water climate" as much as that no one is ever gonna look in there ever again.  And if it somehow did fail, it would be really bad.  So it should be as reliable as possible.

--Dave
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Same here. After primer had cured, just before inserting rod ends, I also sprayed LPS-2 in there, just for added measure.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:36 am    Post subject: Elevator Pushrod Priming? Reply with quote

Yep. Capped off one end and filled the tube with acid etch. Dumped it. Rinsed it. Allowed to dry.

Then recalled it. mixed about a cup of primer, poured it in, and rolled the tube around.
Looking inside with a flashlight, you can see where primer is and isn’t. Kept moving it around until it was all coated.
Pretty easy and nothing to fret.
Phil

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Has anyone primed the inside of their elevator pushrod per Van’s recommendation? If so, any quick and easy methods anyone’s discovered? I actually can’t imagine why this is a recommendation unless you live in a salt water climate.

Thanks in advance..

Bob O.



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:35 am    Post subject: Elevator Pushrod Priming? Reply with quote

I would argue against using acid etch/alodine in any area that you can't
access afterwards. I think the risk of not fully removing the acid
exceeds any risk of poor bonding of the paint. The area will never be
subject to any abrasion or scratching that tests paint adhesion.
The primer itself contains sacrificial material to react with any
oxidizing moisture. Of course I don't base in a corrosive atmosphere of
coastal areas, so I'm certainly biased. If we aren't careful, we could
re-ignite primer wars. Wink)

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Yep.  Capped off one end and filled the tube with acid etch.    Dumped
it.  Rinsed it.   Allowed to dry.

Then recalled it. mixed about a cup of primer, poured it in, and rolled
the tube around.

Looking inside with a flashlight, you can see where primer is and isn’t.
   Kept moving it around until it was all coated.

Pretty easy and nothing to fret.

Phil


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:04 am    Post subject: Elevator Pushrod Priming? Reply with quote

Fair enough.  I just flushed it and flushed it and flushed it.

Thinking about it more, I even alodined the thing too.    I had a couple of 6-8 ft sections of PVC pipe.  One end was opened up, the other had a fitting where I mounted a hose bibb.   I could fill one pvc tube with acid etch.  The other with alodine.   Then I'd drop the long pieces inside the pvc tube.   When done, I'd open the hose bibb and recapture each solution back in it's original container.  Worked pretty well and I think they're still out in my garage.
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I would argue against using acid etch/alodine in any area that you can't access afterwards. I think the risk of not fully removing the acid exceeds any risk of poor bonding of the paint. The area will never be subject to any abrasion or scratching that tests paint adhesion.
The primer itself contains sacrificial material to react with any oxidizing moisture. Of course I don't base in a corrosive atmosphere of coastal areas, so I'm certainly biased. If we aren't careful, we could re-ignite primer wars. Wink)

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Yep.  Capped off one end and filled the tube with acid etch.    Dumped it.  Rinsed it.   Allowed to dry.

Then recalled it. mixed about a cup of primer, poured it in, and rolled the tube around.

Looking inside with a flashlight, you can see where primer is and isn’t.     Kept moving it around until it was all coated.

Pretty easy and nothing to fret.

Phil

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:08 pm    Post subject: Elevator Pushrod Priming? Reply with quote

Thanks, guys.  Appreciate the feedback.  Good ideas on priming.  Next step, prime the tube….

Bob O.

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Fair enough. I just flushed it and flushed it and flushed it.


Thinking about it more, I even alodined the thing too. I had a couple of 6-8 ft sections of PVC pipe. One end was opened up, the other had a fitting where I mounted a hose bibb. I could fill one pvc tube with acid etch. The other with alodine. Then I'd drop the long pieces inside the pvc tube. When done, I'd open the hose bibb and recapture each solution back in it's original container. Worked pretty well and I think they're still out in my garage.







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I would argue against using acid etch/alodine in any area that you can't access afterwards. I think the risk of not fully removing the acid exceeds any risk of poor bonding of the paint. The area will never be subject to any abrasion or scratching that tests paint adhesion.
The primer itself contains sacrificial material to react with any oxidizing moisture. Of course I don't base in a corrosive atmosphere of coastal areas, so I'm certainly biased. If we aren't careful, we could re-ignite primer wars. Wink)

On 11/20/2017 5:33 AM, Phillip Perry wrote:
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Yep. Capped off one end and filled the tube with acid etch. Dumped it. Rinsed it. Allowed to dry.

Then recalled it. mixed about a cup of primer, poured it in, and rolled the tube around.

Looking inside with a flashlight, you can see where primer is and isn’t. Kept moving it around until it was all coated.

Pretty easy and nothing to fret.

Phil


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Elevator Pushrod Priming? Reply with quote

I’ve always heard that linseed oil does a good job protecting metal from rusting/corroding when put on properly, that is wiping off the excess . Dousing a rag and pushing and pulling it through the pushrod worked well for me .

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