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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:57 am    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Ivor, How old was the pipe? David Joyce, GXSDJ


On 2017-12-14 09:21, Ivor wrote:
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A picture of two section of original pipe from my aircraft, looked fine on the outside but definitely breaking up on the inside,
the amount of rubber actually exposed to the fuel was very small on my installation,


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Hi David

original pipe with 10 years use, did check it at five years obviously but it seemed fine at the time,
luckily Frank xuereb down the road from me had some spare original pipe going spare,


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:27 am    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Ivor,
What fuels have you been using predominantly and do you leave the tanks full (or at least the rubber connector internally submerged) between flights?
Rgds.,
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Hi David

original pipe with 10 years use, did check it at five years obviously but it seemed fine at the time,
luckily Frank xuereb down the road from me had some spare original pipe going spare,


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:24 am    Post subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Hi Duncan
I have always tried to minimise Avgas use but some times that all you can
get, so Mainly UL91 with some Super unleaded as a last resort,
Yes i do try to leave the fuel tank full but not normally up the cobra,

The amount of Rubber exposed to any fuel is quite small, after the cobra i have a aluminium pipe so the two pieces you see just connect the pipe to the tank and cobra,
outside condition of the rubber is good,


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:45 am    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Ivor,
Will you be replacing with Viton lined stuff? The only affordable Viton (at that diameter) seems to be fluorosilicone lined silicone hose, which is not rated for permanent (internal) immersion, but is advertised to be OK for temporary immersion and full time contact with vapours. Softer too, which may make getting a gas-tight seal a bit easier.
D.


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Hi Duncan
I have always tried to minimise Avgas use but some times that all you can
get, so Mainly UL91 with some Super unleaded as a last resort,
Yes i do try to leave the fuel tank full but not normally up the cobra,

The amount of Rubber exposed to any fuel is quite small, after the cobra i have a aluminium pipe so the two pieces you see just connect the pipe to the tank and cobra,
outside condition of the rubber is good,


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Hi Duncan

as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when hopefully
a more permanent solution is found,
IMO if a hose designed for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it’s not fit
for purpose,
my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:18 pm    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of the LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon
Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ


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Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size?
I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best available.
Regards
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:47 pm    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Dear David,

For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected independently by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in very good condition inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium unleaded .Pending a suitable replacement the hose will be refitted. It should be possible to find a replacement silicone fuel approved hose. I have the Xs extended baggage bay short hose version.
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Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of the LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon
Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ


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Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size?
I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best available.
Regards
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:17 pm    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Anthony, It would be interested to know whether you usually fill the fuel system (and if so ? up to the top) before you put the plane away or whether you fill up just before you go flying. That is will that pipe have spent most of its life in contact with fuel or with fumes? Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ


On 2017-12-15 20:47, anthony van eldik wrote:
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Dear David,
For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected independently by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in very good condition inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium unleaded .Pending a suitable replacement the hose will be refitted. It should be possible to find a replacement silicone fuel approved hose. I have the Xs extended baggage bay short hose version.
Regards
Anthony van Eldik
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Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of the LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon
Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ


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I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best available.
Regards
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Thanks, David.
I think I'll replace the hose by a new silicon hose or the original one from Europa for at least another 5 years peace of mind.
What amazes me is, that there are huge differences in the condition of the hoses although exposed to a similar environment.
BTW - I guess mine is from 2001 as well.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:59 pm    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Bud, Sounds great to me but I think Pete Jeffers is the one to answer that - he is our LAA inspector on the committee and very much involved with trying to get a sensible solution approved.
Regards, David


On 2017-12-15 21:29, Bud Yerly wrote:
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David and all,
Over here in the States we weld up a 57 degree elbow out of 2" .049 6061T-6. Cut to fit. 2" fuel hose pieces and done.

Rather than those beautiful bent tubes, would the LAA allow such a simple mod that only costs a few bucks to make? The certified welder is the only cost. I cut the tube on my compound miter saw.
Curt welds it up in 10 minutes. It takes 5 minutes to trim up the ends to fit.


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Anthony, It would be interested to know whether you usually fill the fuel system (and if so ? up to the top) before you put the plane away or whether you fill up just before you go flying. That is will that pipe have spent most of its life in contact with fuel or with fumes? Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ


On 2017-12-15 20:47, anthony van eldik wrote:
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Dear David,
For your information my fuel filler hose dated 2001 was inspected independently by two engineers including my inspector and found to be in very good condition inside/out.Fuel used over the years was BP premium unleaded .Pending a suitable replacement the hose will be refitted. It should be possible to find a replacement silicone fuel approved hose. I have the Xs extended baggage bay short hose version.
Regards
Anthony van Eldik
Sent from my iPad
On 15 Dec 2017, at 20:17, davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk) wrote:
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Yes 51 mm it is, but if there is no rush, there is a good possibility of the LAA coming up with an approved solution fairly soon
Regards, David Joyce,GXSDJ


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Is 51 mm inner diameter the correct size?
I'm about to replace the fuel hoses next month and I'm afraid that the fuel filler hose has deteriorated on the inside as well and I'd like to choose the best available.
Regards
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS TG 914


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:28 am    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

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Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem

Dave Park


On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
[quote]Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
Graham

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Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:52 am    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Hi All, I bought a aluminium elbow from Tim when my wife and I had a tour of New Zealand, I think it was Febuary 2007. I have only used Ethonal free mogas since my first flight in Febuary 2009. As you can see from the pic the rubber connecters are perfect. Does this prove that the problem is the use of  ethonal moges and maybe avgas !!. I wonder if Tim can produce more of these elbow.
Cheers Danny. G.c.e.r.i XS tri

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[quote] Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
Graham



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 6:29 am    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com and use a straight section of alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ


On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote: [quote][img]cid:15134345115a352d8f3536a829770425(at)doctors.org.uk[/img]Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem Dave Park

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[quote] Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
Graham

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:37 am    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item number 300735817645 for less than £20. May be suitable.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY

On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk) wrote:
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Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com and use a straight section of alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ


On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote: [quote]
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Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem

Dave Park



On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
[quote] Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
Graham

On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44(at)gmail.com (brian.davies44(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



--> Europa-List message posted by: "Brian Davies" <brian.davies44(at)gmail.com (brian.davies44(at)gmail.com)>

Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:31 am    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

The angle is nearer 60 degrees so I am not sure it would work.  It would be nice if it did.

Brian

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I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item number 300735817645 for less than £20. May be suitable.



Dave Watts

G-BXDY
On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk) wrote:
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Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com and use a straight section of alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ



On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote:[quote]

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Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem
Dave Park


On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
[quote]
Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.

Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.

It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?

Graham



On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44(at)gmail.com (brian.davies44(at)gmail.com)> wrote:


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Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:26 am    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Chaps,
This link has some interesting information on variations in “fluorosilicone” hose.

http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html

I will be looking for the term “profuel”.

Regards,

Roger
[quote]On 16 Dec 2017, at 17:41, Pete Lawless <pete(at)lawless.info (pete(at)lawless.info)> wrote:

The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol + ethalene fuel.
PeteOn 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote:
[quote]I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item number 300735817645 for less than £20. May be suitable.

Dave Watts
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On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk) wrote:
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Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com and use a straight section of alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ


On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote:[quote]<image1.jpeg>Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problemDave Park

On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
[quote]Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
Graham

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Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:34 am    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

According to the Silflex website Samco is a brand of theirs.

On 12/16/2017 8:12 PM, Pete Lawless wrote:

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Roger I think ProFuel is a Samco brand name.
Pete

On 16/12/17 18:26, Roger Sheridan wrote:

Quote:
Chaps,
This link has some interesting information on variations in “fluorosilicone” hose.

http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html

I will be looking for the term “profuel”.

Regards,

Roger
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On 16 Dec 2017, at 17:41, Pete Lawless <pete(at)lawless.info (pete(at)lawless.info)> wrote:

The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol + ethalene fuel.
Pete On 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote:
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I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item number 300735817645 for less than £20. May be suitable.

Dave Watts
G-BXDY
On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk) wrote:
Quote:

Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com and use a straight section of alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ  
 

On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote:
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<image1.jpeg> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem Dave Park  

On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
Quote:
Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
Graham

On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44(at)gmail.com (brian.davies44(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
 
Brian
 
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Hi Ivor
 
Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium.  The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
 
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
 
Pete
 
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On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
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> Hi Duncan
>
> as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
> Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
> hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
> for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it’s not fit for purpose,
> my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
> original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
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>
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>
>
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 16, 2017 11:43 am    Post subject: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

According to the Silflex website Samco is a brand of theirs.
Correction (too fast): Silflex manufactures Samco hose. Silflex and Samco both use the term Profuel in their description of the good stuff. Samco apparently uses "ProFuel" as a brand name.

On 12/16/2017 8:12 PM, Pete Lawless wrote:

Quote:

Roger I think ProFuel is a Samco brand name.
Pete

On 16/12/17 18:26, Roger Sheridan wrote:

Quote:
Chaps,
This link has some interesting information on variations in “fluorosilicone” hose.

http://www.silflex.com/products/fuel-oil-applications.html

I will be looking for the term “profuel”.

Regards,

Roger
Quote:
On 16 Dec 2017, at 17:41, Pete Lawless <pete(at)lawless.info (pete(at)lawless.info)> wrote:

The LAA will want chapter and verse on its suitability for petrol + ethalene fuel.
Pete On 16/12/17 15:35, David Watts wrote:
Quote:
I have seen an aluminium tube 45 degree solution on eBay at item number 300735817645 for less than £20. May be suitable.

Dave Watts
G-BXDY
On 16 Dec 2017, at 14:28, davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk (davidjoyce(at)doctors.org.uk) wrote:
Quote:

Dave, a nice solution, but for those who haven't got a tame aluminium welder it might be cheaper to buy a flurosilicone lined angled fuel filler hose from carbuildersolutions.com and use a straight section of alloy tubing to make up the necessary length. Regards, David, G-XSDJ  
 

On 2017-12-16 11:27, david park wrote:
Quote:
<image1.jpeg> Simple and cheap did this three years ago without any problem Dave Park  

On 16 Dec 2017, at 11:19, GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com (grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com)> wrote:
Quote:
Best solution is to use short silicone joints to an aluminium elbow, it's much lighter and the silicone is less problematic regarding erosion etc.
Tim Ward organised a batch of nice elbows but that was years ago.
It wouldn't be difficult to weld one up?
Graham

On Saturday, 16 December 2017, 9:33, Brian Davies <brian.davies44(at)gmail.com (brian.davies44(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Demon Tweeks says in stock 3 day delivery.
 
Brian
 
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--> Europa-List message posted by: Pete Lawless <pete(at)lawless.info (pete(at)lawless.info)>
 
Hi Ivor
 
Been looking for hose for a standard mod to replace the classic pipe with aluminium.  The only hose we have found so far that is guaranteed 100% for petrol is Samco ProFuel. Unfortunately it is on a 42 day lead time.
 
https://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/p/samco-profuel-silicone-coupling-hose-psch
 
Pete
 
G-RMAC Europa 109 Classic
 
 
On 15/12/17 17:53, Ivor wrote:
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> Hi Duncan
>
> as previously said i managed to get a piece of the original hose from
> Frank Xuereb that will work fine until the next flying season when
> hopefully a more permanent solution is found, IMO if a hose designed
> for fuel cannot be immersed in fuel then it’s not fit for purpose,
> my last hose lasted at least 5 years before starting to degrade so an
> original hose should be fine until a proper replacement is found,
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=476410#476410
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
 
 
 
 
 
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 1:02 am    Post subject: Re: LAA Airworthiness Alert. AIL December 2017 All Europas Reply with quote

Gentelmen,

We have bunches of 6061 Aluminium tube 50mm dia in stock that we would cut to whatever length you need.
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