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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:12 pm    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18 Reply with quote

I used Oratex to cover the nose pod on my Ultrastar. The supplier offered a $50 trial kit of a few square yards that included plenty of the hotmelt adhesive they use, and it was enough for my application. The material is light and worked well, but I had some trouble covering compound curves. Dont know if that applies to your situation, though.
Jeff in Colorado

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Total Messages Posted Thu 03/01/18: 6

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1. 05:32 AM - oratex covering material (kenw)

2. 09:36 AM - Re: oratex covering material (Rex Rodebush)

3. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: oratex covering material (Bill Berle)

4. 02:38 PM - Re: oratex covering material (George Alexander)

5. 11:11 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)

6. 11:21 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)







________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________

Time: 05:32:09 AM PST US

Subject: oratex covering material

From: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com (worthken67(at)gmail.com)>

I was researching Oratex covering for my MK3 Classic, does anyone have any experience

with this product? please share... thank you

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kenw

Read this topic online here:

http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478330#478330

________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________

Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US

Subject: Re: oratex covering material

From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)>

I used the PolyFiber method but The July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good

article on oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come up.

Read this topic online here:

http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478333#478333

________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________

Time: 11:47:15 AM PST US

From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)>

Subject: Re: Re: oratex covering material

I have used this material on R/C model airplanes many times, not yet on a full-size

aircraft. Reportedly, Oratex is significantly lighter and easier to use than

the other systems (Stits Poly Fiber, Ceconite, etc.). More expensive UNTIL

you compare the actual overall cost and time of the older systems. If your time

is worth any more than two dollars an hour, Oratex should be a bargain even

with the higher initial cost. Remember the "price" of Oratex includes all the

dope, silver UV, and color paint.

Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water

based and relatively inexpensive.

Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

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On Thu, 3/1/18, Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)> wrote:

Subject: Re: oratex covering material

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018, 9:35 AM

Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)>

I used the PolyFiber method but The

July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good article on

oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come

up.

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________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________

Time: 02:38:59 PM PST US

Subject: Re: oratex covering material

From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net (gtalexander(at)att.net)>

victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:

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Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water

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Direct quote from the Stewart System Web Site:

"Our new, breakthrough coatings are not "water-based"-- they're waterborne. "

Helped re-covering of an Aeronca Chief and a Piper J3 Cub using the Stewart System.

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George Alexander

FS II R503

E-LSA N709FS

http://www.oh2fly.net

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________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________

Time: 11:11:30 PM PST US

From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: Kolb-List: Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)

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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________

Time: 11:21:28 PM PST US

From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines

Dear Listers,

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The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for

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are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver

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among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:46 pm    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18 Reply with quote

Is Oratex heat shrunk?

john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama



From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Craddock
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 8:12 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18

I used Oratex to cover the nose pod on my Ultrastar. The supplier offered a $50 trial kit of a few square yards that included plenty of the hotmelt adhesive they use, and it was enough for my application. The material is light and worked well, but I had some trouble covering compound curves. Dont know if that applies to your situation, though.

Jeff in Colorado


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1. 05:32 AM - oratex covering material (kenw)

2. 09:36 AM - Re: oratex covering material (Rex Rodebush)

3. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: oratex covering material (Bill Berle)

4. 02:38 PM - Re: oratex covering material (George Alexander)

5. 11:11 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)

6. 11:21 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)







________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________





Time: 05:32:09 AM PST US

Subject: oratex covering material

From: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com (worthken67(at)gmail.com)>





I was researching Oratex covering for my MK3 Classic, does anyone have any experience

with this product? please share... thank you



--------

kenw





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478330#478330





________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________





Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US

Subject: Re: oratex covering material

From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)>





I used the PolyFiber method but The July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good

article on oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come up.





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478333#478333





________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________





Time: 11:47:15 AM PST US

From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)>

Subject: Re: Re: oratex covering material





I have used this material on R/C model airplanes many times, not yet on a full-size

aircraft. Reportedly, Oratex is significantly lighter and easier to use than

the other systems (Stits Poly Fiber, Ceconite, etc.). More expensive UNTIL

you compare the actual overall cost and time of the older systems. If your time

is worth any more than two dollars an hour, Oratex should be a bargain even

with the higher initial cost. Remember the "price" of Oratex includes all the

dope, silver UV, and color paint.



Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water

based and relatively inexpensive.



Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities



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On Thu, 3/1/18, Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



Subject: Re: oratex covering material

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018, 9:35 AM



Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)>



I used the PolyFiber method but The

July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good article on

oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come

up.





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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478333#478333





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Time: 02:38:59 PM PST US

Subject: Re: oratex covering material

From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net (gtalexander(at)att.net)>







victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:

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Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water

based and relatively inexpensive.

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Direct quote from the Stewart System Web Site:



"Our new, breakthrough coatings are not "water-based"-- they're waterborne. "



Helped re-covering of an Aeronca Chief and a Piper J3 Cub using the Stewart System.



--------

George Alexander

FS II R503

E-LSA N709FS

http://www.oh2fly.net





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Time: 11:11:30 PM PST US

From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)





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PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:20 pm    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18 Reply with quote

Yes, Oratex is heat shrunk. You apply it similar to other systems... apply glue to the structure and put the Oratex into position. Then you shrink it just like any other fabric, but when you are done shrinking... the dope, silver primer, and final color are already there.

I am not 100% sure about how you do the pinked tapes, but I am guessing they go on over the main fabric just like other systems, but the color is already in there as well.

The model airplane version of Oratex has the heat-sensitive glue already on the underside of the fabric. On the full size version I believe the glue is not on the back of the fabric to save weight.

Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com  - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net           - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

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On Fri, 3/2/18, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:

Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Friday, March 2, 2018, 6:46 PM

Is Oratex heat
shrunk?  john hmkIII Titus,
Alabama    
 From:
owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf
Of Jeff Craddock
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 8:12 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs -
03/01/18  I used Oratex to cover the
nose pod on my Ultrastar.  The supplier offered a $50
trial kit of a few square yards that included plenty of the
hotmelt adhesive they use, and it was enough for my
application.  The material is light and worked well,
but I had some trouble covering compound curves.  Dont
know if that applies to your situation,
though.Jeff in
Colorado  From: Kolb-List Digest
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To: Kolb-List Digest List <kolb-list-digest(at)matronics.com>

Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 12:45 AM
Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs -
03/01/18
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     1. 05:32 AM - oratex
covering material  (kenw)    2. 09:36 AM - Re:
oratex covering material  (Rex
Rodebush)    3. 11:47 AM - Re: Re:
oratex covering material  (Bill
Berle)    4. 02:38 PM - Re:
oratex covering material  (George
Alexander)    5. 11:11 PM -
Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) 
(Matt Dralle)    6. 11:21 PM -
Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines  (Matt
Dralle)
 
 
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Message 1 
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 Time: 05:32:09 AM PST
USSubject: oratex covering
materialFrom: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com>
 
 I was researching Oratex covering
for my MK3 Classic, does anyone have any
experiencewith this product? please
share...  thank you
 --------kenw
 
 Read this topic online
here:
 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478330#478330
 
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Message 2 
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 Time: 09:36:08 AM PST
USSubject: Re: oratex
covering materialFrom: "Rex Rodebush"
<jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
 
 I used the PolyFiber method but The
July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very
goodarticle on oratex.  Google
oratex kitplanes and it should come
up.
 
 Read this topic online
here:
 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478333#478333
 
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Message 3 
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 Time: 11:47:15 AM PST
USFrom: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>Subject: Re: Re: oratex
covering material
 
 I have used this material on R/C
model airplanes many times, not yet on a
full-sizeaircraft. Reportedly, Oratex is
significantly lighter and easier to use
thanthe other systems (Stits Poly
Fiber, Ceconite, etc.). More expensive
UNTILyou compare the actual overall cost
and time of the older systems. If your
timeis worth any more than two dollars
an hour, Oratex should be a bargain
evenwith the higher initial cost.
Remember the "price" of Oratex includes all
thedope, silver UV, and color
paint.
 Another very well liked
"new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is
waterbased and relatively
inexpensive.
 Bill Berlewww.ezflaphandle.com
- safety & performance upgrade for light
aircraftwww.grantstar.net 
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for-profit entities
 --------------------------------------------On Thu, 3/1/18, Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
wrote:
 Subject: Re: oratex
covering materialTo: kolb-list(at)matronics.comDate: Thursday, March 1, 2018, 9:35
AM
 Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>
 I used the PolyFiber method but
TheJuly, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a
very good article onoratex.  Google oratex
kitplanes and it should comeup.
 
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 Time: 02:38:59 PM PST
USSubject: Re: oratex
covering materialFrom: "George Alexander"
<gtalexander(at)att.net>
 
 
 victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.
wrote:> > > . S . N . I . P
.> > Another very well liked
"new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is
waterbased and relatively
inexpensive.> > Bill
Berle> > . S . N . I . P
.> >
 
 Direct quote from the Stewart
System Web Site:
 "Our new, breakthrough
coatings are not "water-based"-- they're
waterborne. "
 Helped re-covering of an Aeronca
Chief and a Piper J3 Cub using the Stewart
System.
 --------George
AlexanderFS II R503 
E-LSA
N709FShttp://www.oh2fly.net
 
 Read this topic online
here:
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 Time: 11:11:30 PM PST
USFrom: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>Subject: Official
Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked
Questions)
 
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:18 am    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18 Reply with quote

Hi John ,yes Oratex is heat shrunk and they recommend using a heat gun the stuff is nearly indestructible and if it gets a hole it’s easily repairable , I bought their sample kit and I really like the fact that there are no fumes being in my condition going in and out could be a problem .
BECKY and I will be at Sun& FUN the last 3 days hope to see you there.!

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[quote] On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:46 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> wrote:

Is Oratex heat shrunk?

john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama



From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Craddock
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 8:12 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18

I used Oratex to cover the nose pod on my Ultrastar. The supplier offered a $50 trial kit of a few square yards that included plenty of the hotmelt adhesive they use, and it was enough for my application. The material is light and worked well, but I had some trouble covering compound curves. Dont know if that applies to your situation, though.
Jeff in Colorado


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1. 05:32 AM - oratex covering material (kenw)
2. 09:36 AM - Re: oratex covering material (Rex Rodebush)
3. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: oratex covering material (Bill Berle)
4. 02:38 PM - Re: oratex covering material (George Alexander)
5. 11:11 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
6. 11:21 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)



________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________


Time: 05:32:09 AM PST US
Subject: oratex covering material
From: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com>


I was researching Oratex covering for my MK3 Classic, does anyone have any experience
with this product? please share... thank you

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kenw


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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________


Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>


I used the PolyFiber method but The July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good
article on oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come up.


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Time: 11:47:15 AM PST US
From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Re: oratex covering material


I have used this material on R/C model airplanes many times, not yet on a full-size
aircraft. Reportedly, Oratex is significantly lighter and easier to use than
the other systems (Stits Poly Fiber, Ceconite, etc.). More expensive UNTIL
you compare the actual overall cost and time of the older systems. If your time
is worth any more than two dollars an hour, Oratex should be a bargain even
with the higher initial cost. Remember the "price" of Oratex includes all the
dope, silver UV, and color paint.

Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water
based and relatively inexpensive.

Bill Berle
www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft
www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities

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On Thu, 3/1/18, Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: oratex covering material
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018, 9:35 AM

Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com>

I used the PolyFiber method but The
July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good article on
oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come
up.


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Time: 02:38:59 PM PST US
Subject: Re: oratex covering material
From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net>



victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:
>
>
> . S . N . I . P .
>
> Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water
based and relatively inexpensive.
>
> Bill Berle
>
> . S . N . I . P .
>
>


Direct quote from the Stewart System Web Site:

"Our new, breakthrough coatings are not "water-based"-- they're waterborne. "

Helped re-covering of an Aeronca Chief and a Piper J3 Cub using the Stewart System.

--------
George Alexander
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E-LSA N709FS
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Time: 11:11:30 PM PST US
From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com>
Subject: Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:58 am    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18 Reply with quote

Chris D/Kolbers:

I talked to Bryan Melborn Monday.  Tentatively planning on flying down, despite the fact the Miss P'fer, my 1992 MKIII, is in need of a lot of cosmetic TLC, especially the glass.  The windshield has started crazing which gives it the diamond glare effect when flying into the sun.  My MKIII is like an old street fighter.  She has been flying long, hard, and strong, for 26 years, 3,400.0+ hours, the 15th of March.  It's hard to work that hard, for that long, and not show the effects.  She's like me, as far as showing the effects of miles flown.  Wink

If I think I can comfortably fly down and enjoy sleeping on the ground for a week, I will.  Doing a lot of walking and standing will present problems.  Got to walk to the head, to the shower, and some place to scrounge chow, when I get tired of eating freeze dried and MRE's.

We'll see what happens.

john h
MKIII
Titus, Alabama



From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris davis
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 11:18 AM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18

Hi John ,yes Oratex is heat shrunk and they recommend using a heat gun the stuff is nearly indestructible and if it gets a hole it’s easily repairable , I bought their sample kit and I really like the fact that there are no fumes being in my condition going in and out could be a problem .
BECKY and I will be at Sun& FUN the last 3 days hope to see you there.!
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 2, 2018, at 9:46 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
Quote:

Is Oratex heat shrunk?

john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama



From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Jeff Craddock
Sent: Friday, March 02, 2018 8:12 PM
To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18

I used Oratex to cover the nose pod on my Ultrastar. The supplier offered a $50 trial kit of a few square yards that included plenty of the hotmelt adhesive they use, and it was enough for my application. The material is light and worked well, but I had some trouble covering compound curves. Dont know if that applies to your situation, though.

Jeff in Colorado


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Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 12:45 AM
Subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18


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and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version

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Total Messages Posted Thu 03/01/18: 6

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1. 05:32 AM - oratex covering material (kenw)

2. 09:36 AM - Re: oratex covering material (Rex Rodebush)

3. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: oratex covering material (Bill Berle)

4. 02:38 PM - Re: oratex covering material (George Alexander)

5. 11:11 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)

6. 11:21 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)







________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________





Time: 05:32:09 AM PST US

Subject: oratex covering material

From: "kenw" <worthken67(at)gmail.com (worthken67(at)gmail.com)>





I was researching Oratex covering for my MK3 Classic, does anyone have any experience

with this product? please share... thank you



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kenw





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________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________





Time: 09:36:08 AM PST US

Subject: Re: oratex covering material

From: "Rex Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)>





I used the PolyFiber method but The July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good

article on oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come up.





Read this topic online here:



http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478333#478333





________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________





Time: 11:47:15 AM PST US

From: Bill Berle <victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net (victorbravo(at)sbcglobal.net)>

Subject: Re: Re: oratex covering material





I have used this material on R/C model airplanes many times, not yet on a full-size

aircraft. Reportedly, Oratex is significantly lighter and easier to use than

the other systems (Stits Poly Fiber, Ceconite, etc.). More expensive UNTIL

you compare the actual overall cost and time of the older systems. If your time

is worth any more than two dollars an hour, Oratex should be a bargain even

with the higher initial cost. Remember the "price" of Oratex includes all the

dope, silver UV, and color paint.



Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water

based and relatively inexpensive.



Bill Berle

www.ezflaphandle.com - safety & performance upgrade for light aircraft

www.grantstar.net - winning proposals for non-profit and for-profit entities



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On Thu, 3/1/18, Rex Rodebush <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)> wrote:



Subject: Re: oratex covering material

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com (kolb-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018, 9:35 AM



Rodebush" <jrrodebush(at)gmail.com (jrrodebush(at)gmail.com)>



I used the PolyFiber method but The

July, 2014 issue of Kitplanes had a very good article on

oratex. Google oratex kitplanes and it should come

up.





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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=478333#478333





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Time: 02:38:59 PM PST US

Subject: Re: oratex covering material

From: "George Alexander" <gtalexander(at)att.net (gtalexander(at)att.net)>







victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:

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Another very well liked "new" alternative is the Stewart Systems, which is water

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Direct quote from the Stewart System Web Site:



"Our new, breakthrough coatings are not "water-based"-- they're waterborne. "



Helped re-covering of an Aeronca Chief and a Piper J3 Cub using the Stewart System.



--------

George Alexander

FS II R503

E-LSA N709FS

http://www.oh2fly.net





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Time: 11:11:30 PM PST US

From: Matt Dralle <dralle(at)matronics.com (dralle(at)matronics.com)>

Subject: Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions)





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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:13 am    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18 Reply with quote

John, I have had good luck with using the headlight polishing kits that are sold at auto parts stores. The kits are not expensive compared to a new windshield. Try it on the windshield in a small area and see if it helps out.

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From: "John Hauck" <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 1:02 PM To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18

Chris D/Kolbers:

-----my 1992 MKIII, is in need of a lot of cosmetic TLC, especially the glass. The windshield has started crazing which gives it the diamond glare effect when flying into the sun.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:11 am    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18 Reply with quote

Jack H/Kolbers:

Doubt the polishing kit would correct my problem. The failure is in the generic polycarbonate I used last time I replaced windshield and doors. I think if I had stuck with more expensive GE Lexan, I wouldn't be having this problem.

Right now I am scratching my head to figure out why this polycarbonate failed. One possibility is a reaction to the last windshield cover I made about 4 or 5 years ago. I found some heavy material, similar to Naugahyde, at a local fabric shop. I was tired of making new covers out of plastic table cloths every year. My thought is there was a chemical reaction from the gassing of the material used to make the material. Maybe not. I don't know.

Darn shame though. The surface of the polycarbonate is in great shape.

Thanks for the suggestion.

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John, I have had good luck with using the headlight polishing kits that are sold at auto parts stores. The kits are not expensive compared to a new windshield. Try it on the windshield in a small area and see if it helps out.



Jack B. Hart FF004

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Chris D/Kolbers:

-----my 1992 MKIII, is in need of a lot of cosmetic TLC, especially the glass. The windshield has started crazing which gives it the diamond glare effect when flying into the sun.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:46 pm    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18 Reply with quote

John,

One more suggestion. Tooth paste contains a mild abrasive. Take a tube and put some on your finger and rub it on the outer surface over a small area. Just like you are trying to polish the surface. Then clean off the surface with a soft towel and pear through the affected area. If it looks better, further polishing out will be of benefit.

I used acrylic head light cover polish on a Monark polycarbonate windshield with good results.

Jack B. Hart FF004
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Jack H/Kolbers:
Darn shame though. The surface of the polycarbonate is in great shape.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:29 pm    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18 Reply with quote

I don't have a surface problem. It is in great shape. I use Plexus religiously to keep my glass clean and protected.

My problem is in the glass between the two surfaces. That can't be corrected.

john h
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John,



One more suggestion. Tooth paste contains a mild abrasive. Take a tube and put some on your finger and rub it on the outer surface over a small area. Just like you are trying to polish the surface. Then clean off the surface with a soft towel and pear through the affected area. If it looks better, further polishing out will be of benefit.



I used acrylic head light cover polish on a Monark polycarbonate windshield with good results.



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN






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Jack H/Kolbers:

Darn shame though. The surface of the polycarbonate is in great shape.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:42 pm    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18 Reply with quote

Plain polycarbonate can be crazed by lots of stuff, including gasoline. Plexi is much less susceptible.
Charlie
On Mar 5, 2018, at 9:31 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
Quote:

I don't have a surface problem. It is in great shape. I use Plexus religiously to keep my glass clean and protected.



My problem is in the glass between the two surfaces. That can't be corrected.



john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama



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John,



One more suggestion. Tooth paste contains a mild abrasive. Take a tube and put some on your finger and rub it on the outer surface over a small area. Just like you are trying to polish the surface. Then clean off the surface with a soft towel and pear through the affected area. If it looks better, further polishing out will be of benefit.



I used acrylic head light cover polish on a Monark polycarbonate windshield with good results.



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN








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Jack H/Kolbers:



Darn shame though. The surface of the polycarbonate is in great shape.



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:27 pm    Post subject: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18 Reply with quote

Depends on the type of gasoline.
I used to be able to tell which would and which wouldn't damage the glass.  Been too long to remember that.
Some won't and some will.  The types that will are immediate reactions.  You watch it and cry.

john

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Plain polycarbonate can be crazed by lots of stuff, including gasoline. Plexi is much less susceptible.

Charlie

On Mar 5, 2018, at 9:31 PM, John Hauck <jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com (jhauck(at)elmore.rr.com)> wrote:
I don't have a surface problem. It is in great shape. I use Plexus religiously to keep my glass clean and protected.

My problem is in the glass between the two surfaces. That can't be corrected.

john h
mkIII
Titus, Alabama

From: owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-kolb-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Jack Hart
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Subject: RE: Re: Kolb-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 03/01/18


John,



One more suggestion. Tooth paste contains a mild abrasive. Take a tube and put some on your finger and rub it on the outer surface over a small area. Just like you are trying to polish the surface. Then clean off the surface with a soft towel and pear through the affected area. If it looks better, further polishing out will be of benefit.



I used acrylic head light cover polish on a Monark polycarbonate windshield with good results.



Jack B. Hart FF004

Winchester, IN






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Jack H/Kolbers:

Darn shame though. The surface of the polycarbonate is in great shape.


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