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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 2:10 pm    Post subject: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID Reply with quote

Hi guys,

I'm trying to add a rectifier/regulator to my old point-ignition 503, & need some regulator pinout verification. 
I bought a used '3 phase' regulator from an ebay vendor, but when it arrived, it was almost certainly an old single phase unit, with 4 wires & no heat sink fins. It had all the characteristics described in a CPS document about Rotax charging systems; AC output unless it was connected to a big battery or a load. 
The seller agreed to send me another regulator, which physically looks like the typical 3 phase unit, but has 2 yellow, one brown, one black, and one white/red stripe wires. Brand is Mitsubishi; label on the side starts with 'TS10BR??' (last tow characters unreadable), then under it, 'C99', which I assume is a date code. Molded into the mounting flange are: 'TS10' and under that, 'BRiK-L' with no dot over the 'i'; just a half height vertical line.
I'm betting on the 2 yellows for AC from the alternator. But the CPS document for the 264-870 shows black as DC+ to the load  (seems suspicious, for a DC circuit), a 3rd yellow as 'not connected' and no color at all for ground.
I fed the 2 yellows 12V DC from a battery, and got +12V on the white/red wire, referenced to either the black wire, or the brown wire. No wire is common to the metal case. So, it seems reasonable to assume that wh/red is positive and black is ground. 
Before I actually hook this thing to the alternator and a load, can anyone verify that I've properly ID'd the wires?
Thanks,
Charlie
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:19 pm    Post subject: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID Reply with quote

Is this what you are looking for?Larry
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Hi guys,

I'm trying to add a rectifier/regulator to my old point-ignition 503, & need some regulator pinout verification. 
I bought a used '3 phase' regulator from an ebay vendor, but when it arrived, it was almost certainly an old single phase unit, with 4 wires & no heat sink fins. It had all the characteristics described in a CPS document about Rotax charging systems; AC output unless it was connected to a big battery or a load. 
The seller agreed to send me another regulator, which physically looks like the typical 3 phase unit, but has 2 yellow, one brown, one black, and one white/red stripe wires. Brand is Mitsubishi; label on the side starts with 'TS10BR??' (last tow characters unreadable), then under it, 'C99', which I assume is a date code. Molded into the mounting flange are: 'TS10' and under that, 'BRiK-L' with no dot over the 'i'; just a half height vertical line.
I'm betting on the 2 yellows for AC from the alternator. But the CPS document for the 264-870 shows black as DC+ to the load  (seems suspicious, for a DC circuit), a 3rd yellow as 'not connected' and no color at all for ground.
I fed the 2 yellows 12V DC from a battery, and got +12V on the white/red wire, referenced to either the black wire, or the brown wire. No wire is common to the metal case. So, it seems reasonable to assume that wh/red is positive and black is ground. 
Before I actually hook this thing to the alternator and a load, can anyone verify that I've properly ID'd the wires?
Thanks,
Charlie
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:30 pm    Post subject: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID Reply with quote

Here is another page of the use.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Hi guys,

I'm trying to add a rectifier/regulator to my old point-ignition 503, & need some regulator pinout verification. 
I bought a used '3 phase' regulator from an ebay vendor, but when it arrived, it was almost certainly an old single phase unit, with 4 wires & no heat sink fins. It had all the characteristics described in a CPS document about Rotax charging systems; AC output unless it was connected to a big battery or a load. 
The seller agreed to send me another regulator, which physically looks like the typical 3 phase unit, but has 2 yellow, one brown, one black, and one white/red stripe wires. Brand is Mitsubishi; label on the side starts with 'TS10BR??' (last tow characters unreadable), then under it, 'C99', which I assume is a date code. Molded into the mounting flange are: 'TS10' and under that, 'BRiK-L' with no dot over the 'i'; just a half height vertical line.
I'm betting on the 2 yellows for AC from the alternator. But the CPS document for the 264-870 shows black as DC+ to the load  (seems suspicious, for a DC circuit), a 3rd yellow as 'not connected' and no color at all for ground.
I fed the 2 yellows 12V DC from a battery, and got +12V on the white/red wire, referenced to either the black wire, or the brown wire. No wire is common to the metal case. So, it seems reasonable to assume that wh/red is positive and black is ground. 
Before I actually hook this thing to the alternator and a load, can anyone verify that I've properly ID'd the wires?
Thanks,
Charlie
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 8:13 pm    Post subject: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID Reply with quote

Sorry; no. I consulted this doc:

http://m.cps-parts.com/cps/pdf/Part49.pdf

The 1st model they sent matched the non-heatsink version in both appearance and performance. The 2nd looks like the heatsink version, but wire colors are different. I was just hoping someone had used the Misubishi brand regulator & could verify wire colors.
Thanks,
Charlie
On Jul 8, 2018, at 10:34 PM, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com (lcottrell1020(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Here is another page of the use.

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Charlie England <ceengland7(at)gmail.com (ceengland7(at)gmail.com)> wrote:
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Hi guys,

I'm trying to add a rectifier/regulator to my old point-ignition 503, & need some regulator pinout verification.
I bought a used '3 phase' regulator from an ebay vendor, but when it arrived, it was almost certainly an old single phase unit, with 4 wires & no heat sink fins. It had all the characteristics described in a CPS document about Rotax charging systems; AC output unless it was connected to a big battery or a load.
The seller agreed to send me another regulator, which physically looks like the typical 3 phase unit, but has 2 yellow, one brown, one black, and one white/red stripe wires. Brand is Mitsubishi; label on the side starts with 'TS10BR??' (last tow characters unreadable), then under it, 'C99', which I assume is a date code. Molded into the mounting flange are: 'TS10' and under that, 'BRiK-L' with no dot over the 'i'; just a half height vertical line.
I'm betting on the 2 yellows for AC from the alternator. But the CPS document for the 264-870 shows black as DC+ to the load (seems suspicious, for a DC circuit), a 3rd yellow as 'not connected' and no color at all for ground.
I fed the 2 yellows 12V DC from a battery, and got +12V on the white/red wire, referenced to either the black wire, or the brown wire. No wire is common to the metal case. So, it seems reasonable to assume that wh/red is positive and black is ground.
Before I actually hook this thing to the alternator and a load, can anyone verify that I've properly ID'd the wires?
Thanks,
Charlie
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID Reply with quote

This is for the older type 503 ignition. Not sure if this is what you need, but it's free, so...

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:27 am    Post subject: 2 stroke rectifier/regulator ID & wire ID Reply with quote

On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Richard Pike <thegreybaron(at)charter.net (thegreybaron(at)charter.net)> wrote:
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This is for the older type 503 ignition. Not sure if this is what you need, but it's free, so...

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Thanks Richard, but that appears to be the  same hookup as the one I linked earlier. I'm fairly confident in my guessing on hookup, reinforced by my initial measurements. Since no one seems to have used this brand, I'll just go with what my initial checks indicate are the correct terminations.
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