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PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 3:48 pm    Post subject: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

I believe Helen Melborn told me the number stamped on the rear edge of the motoe mount tube is the steel cage we;dment number, which is not sautomatically the same as the aircraft serial number???

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Helton <gdhelton(at)gmail.com>

If you can find original plans, it the
plans number. Like mine is FS100. The 100th original
Firestar.
George H.
Firestar, FS100, 2702 Hirth
14GDH
Mesick , Michigan
gdhelton(at)gmail.com


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:46 am    Post subject: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

I agree with Bill. Mine was marked FS001 and I'm sure it was not the first Firestar.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:32 am    Post subject: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

To the best of my knowledge the first Fire Star is in Homer Kolb's hanger in Springville, PA. I watched Dick Rahill crash it at Oshkosh in 1989. Homer completely rebuilt the first Firestar not long before he passed. Got to fly it at Sun and Fun 1986 or 87, then again at the Kolb Farm in 2008 (?). Was powered by a Rotax 377 originally, replaced with a 503 DC when rebuilt. Also had VGs.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

The previous owner did not have much in the way
of information. The plans I do have I bought from Kolb. Like I said. it looks like I will have to make my own serial number.

gdhelton(at)gmail.com wrote:
If you can find original plans, it the plans number. Like mine is FS100. The 100th original Firestar.
George H.
Firestar, FS100, 2702 Hirth
14GDH
Mesick , Michigan
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Thank you for the replies. I checked the motor mount tube, nothing there. I guess I will make my own serial number.




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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:42 pm    Post subject: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

Is this a previously registered a/c? If so, the serial number in the
eyes of the FAA is on the registration paperwork. There is no
requirement that it match Kolb's number (the person who registered it
could have called it a <buldername> Blowhard serial number 10,000), but
there *is* a requirement that your data plate matches the registration.

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The previous owner did not have much in the way
of information. The plans I do have I bought from Kolb. Like I said. it looks like I will have to make my own serial number.
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> If you can find original plans, it the plans number. Like mine is FS100. The 100th original Firestar.
> George H.
> Firestar, FS100, 2702 Hirth
> 14GDH
> Mesick , Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:49 pm    Post subject: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

Yup, sounds like you get to be creative.
George H.
Firestar
Mesick, Michigan

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On Oct 30, 2018, at 2:46 PM, loctupdave <loctupdave(at)att.net> wrote:



The previous owner did not have much in the way
of information. The plans I do have I bought from Kolb. Like I said. it looks like I will have to make my own serial number.


gdhelton(at)gmail.com wrote:
> If you can find original plans, it the plans number. Like mine is FS100. The 100th original Firestar.
> George H.
> Firestar, FS100, 2702 Hirth
> 14GDH
> Mesick , Michigan
> gdhelton(at)gmail.com
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>> On Oct 29, 2018, at 6:41 PM, loctupdave wrote:
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

With what I have for information this plane has never had a N number. There is no data plate or evidence of a N number removal.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:32 pm    Post subject: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

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With what I have for information this plane has never had a N number. There is no data plate or evidence of a N number removal.

If it's never been registered, and you intend to register it as a homebuilt, then you get to pick the model name and serial number when you register it. Be prepared to show some kind of chain of ownership of the 'project', or a document signed by you stating that it was built from 'parts', meaning scratch built. You'll have to do the 51% checklist, etc.


If you intend to fly it as an ultralite, all the above is moot.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:56 pm    Post subject: Re: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

It would be wonderful knowing the year it was made.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:22 pm    Post subject: Re: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

RE: SN..
Was this ever registered before? Or was it flown as a U/L? If it's ever been registered, the FAA should have a SN associated with the plane/paperwork. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

I cannot see anything on the plane or information given that would suggest it has been restored by the FAA.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:43 pm    Post subject: Re: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

If you know the original builder.. Kolb might have records of who bought kits or plans? I'm not sure of when they changed ownership.. so that could be a problem, but might be worth a try. It may not be an issue, if it's never been registered. I know with a U/L transition to ELSA, it was "pick a number" and put it on the airplane and related documents.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:55 pm    Post subject: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

If you’re going to fly it as a ultralight, it’s a non-issue except I.D. purposes anyway.
George H.
Firestar
14GDH
Mesick, Michigan

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If you know the original builder.. Kolb might have records of who bought kits or plans? I'm not sure of when they changed ownership.. so that could be a problem, but might be worth a try. It may not be an issue, if it's never been registered. I know with a U/L transition to ELSA, it was "pick a number" and put it on the airplane and related documents.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 1:24 am    Post subject: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

That was the aircraft that I used for the travels that I did over in the USA in 2013,14,15. I flew it as an ultralight, and to my knowledge it never had been registered. The previous owner also flew it as an ultralight. He had no information as to it's history and no paperwork. I just took it 'as is' and hit the road and the air, and it served me well. 

The vertical stab had been modified in a very distinctive way, and the trailer is also very distinctive. These features can be seen in the blog http://jgflyingroadtrip2013.blogspot.com/  Someone may remember seeing these features in the past and might be able to bring up some history.... 
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:03 am    Post subject: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

JG/Kolbers:

What an adventurer you are.  I know the difficulties of planning, building, and flying cross country flights in a Kolb.  No way I would ever attempt to do the trips that you have done.  Was sitting here reading your blog wondering what it would be like if I decided to go to Australia and do the same thing you have done several times here in the US.  The foreseeable and unforeseeable problems are monumental.

Glad we got to spend time together sharing travel stories on a couple of your trips.

john h
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That was the aircraft that I used for the travels that I did over in the USA in 2013,14,15. I flew it as an ultralight, and to my knowledge it never had been registered. The previous owner also flew it as an ultralight. He had no information as to it's history and no paperwork. I just took it 'as is' and hit the road and the air, and it served me well.


The vertical stab had been modified in a very distinctive way, and the trailer is also very distinctive. These features can be seen in the blog http://jgflyingroadtrip2013.blogspot.com/ Someone may remember seeing these features in the past and might be able to bring up some history....



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:04 pm    Post subject: Re: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

victorbravo(at)sbcglobal. wrote:
I believe Helen Melborn told me the number stamped on the rear edge of the motoe mount tube is the steel cage we;dment number, which is not sautomatically the same as the aircraft serial number???

Bill Berle
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Subject: Re: Re: My Firestar 2 Build
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Date: Monday, October 29, 2018, 4:21 PM


Helton <gdhelton>

If you can find original plans, it the
plans number. Like mine is FS100. The 100th original
Firestar.
George H.
Firestar, FS100, 2702 Hirth
14GDH
Mesick , Michigan
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:01 am    Post subject: Re: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

does anyone know what purpose this tab serves. I plan to cover this into a full canopy and it will be in the way. My thought is to cut it off.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:17 am    Post subject: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

I believe that it was intended for the enrichner lever.
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does anyone know what purpose this tab serves. I plan to cover this into a full canopy and it will be in the way. My thought is to cut it off.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:17 am    Post subject: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

I think this was meant for a remote choke lever.
After painting and covering my fs ll fuselage cage I then began adding all the interior items... and then wished that I had planned ahead. Small tabs could have been added for mounting floor panels, windscreen and windows, etc. I used a throttle quadrant that really would have been a simpler install if only there was a mounting tab...
Is yours a fs l or ll ? The fs ll has a 1/2” horizontal tube that runs just in front of where the 5”tail boom spar attaches; the fabric seat swoops under this. I was contacted by Kolb Co. several years ago advising that the tube welds were cracking and a sliding splice would allow movement but still support the fabric. I saw a need for 4 additional pulleys to raise the rudder/elevator cables as they entered the tail boom. This sliding splice was part of my new pulley housing...much easier before paint and fabric. Also, the center wing gap seal would be a good place to look at.
Check with Kolb regarding the horizontal tube modification.
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does anyone know what purpose this tab serves. I plan to cover this into a full canopy and it will be in the way. My thought is to cut it off.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:44 am    Post subject: Re: My Firestar 2 Build Reply with quote

Thanks John.
My Firestar is a fs2. As for the choke, my engine has them, but they will not be used, as there is a priming system. I have a Quick Silver that has this system, when I built the engine and carb, I removed the choke and used gasket maker to plug the hole. With the priming system give it a couple squirts and she starts up in a couple of pulls. As for the floor the front is done. Im not sure if I will floor the back.


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