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n7188u

Joined: 15 Nov 2015
Posts: 395

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 11:17 am Post subject: Control Column Boot

Hi,



I have been flying my Europa for almost a year now and there are a few things here and there I still need to complete particularly now that I intend to start touring a bit more with a passenger.



One of those things is the control column boots. I wonder if someone out there has some pictures and a pattern for a control column solution? It would sure help cut down on the effort required to come up with something that works properly.



I did find a couple of pictures in the Europa Owner forum but nothing on this one. 



Thanks,

Chris

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:26 pm Post subject: Control Column Boot

ï»¿Hi Chris,

Many years ago I persuaded the local leather-man to produce some Control Column Boots for Europa Builders and posted them when flying to Heathrow or LAX. 

Now retired, and with the Christchurch earthquake taking out the leather-manâ€™s shop,

I havenâ€™t produced them for awhile. However, I did end up with one, donâ€™t know how, which I can send to you to make a copy and reproduce. Photo below. If you only need one then mission accomplished.

Cheers,

Tim

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Sent from my iPadTim Ward

12 Waiwetu Street, 

Fendalton, 

Christchurch, 8052

New Zealand.

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz 

021 0640221

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		  On 9/02/2022, at 8:25 AM, n7188u <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> wrote:



ï»¿--> Europa-List message posted by: "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com>



Hi,



I have been flying my Europa for almost a year now and there are a few things here and there I still need to complete particularly now that I intend to start touring a bit more with a passenger.



One of those things is the control column boots. I wonder if someone out there has some pictures and a pattern for a control column solution? It would sure help cut down on the effort required to come up with something that works properly.



I did find a couple of pictures in the Europa Owner forum but nothing on this one. 



Thanks,

Chris





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n7188u

Joined: 15 Nov 2015
Posts: 395

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Hi Tim,



Thanks for the offer and I would gladly accept it. Please let me know how we can arrange to have it shipped to me. My address is:



Chris Martin

1805 Chandelle Court

Port Orange, FL 32128

USA



I remember seeing a picture of some sort of instructions for your boot. Do you still have it? If not NP, I think I can figure it out.



Chris

rparigoris

Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 780

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Hi Chris



When I was strengthening floor left gap around flange for Velcro to hold stick boot:

http://www.europaowners.org/gallery2/v/Begin-06-2003/Cockpit+lower+half/album237/

Wires going to and coming out of stick sneak through the gap left between top and side flange.

The top / side and bottom flange were separate layups.



Ron

n7188u

Joined: 15 Nov 2015
Posts: 395

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Thanks for the info and pictures Ron. Good info.



Found your floor reinforcing part interesting. A single layer of glass is certainly not a lot to support large weight of someone getting into the airplane. The LongEZ has a reinforcement on the aft seat floor fir that same reason.



Regards,

Chris

rparigoris

Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 780

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Hi Chris



I used 2 layers of BID (2BID)   Ron

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:24 pm Post subject: Control Column Boot

ï»¿ï»¿Hi Chris,I shall drop it in the post, no problem. Unpick the thread and get measurements for a leather-man or yourself to copy with your chosen colour, I suggest. 

Installation:

Create a fibreglass semi circular (elongated) fence from Tufnell control bearing housing, on the floor of the footwell,  about 50mm high. Feed the boot down the control column. It goes over the outside of the fence, stuck down and secured with Velcro.

Also along the outer surfaces of the Tufnell control bearing housing. Tie boot on stick. Complete! 

Cheers,

Tim



Sent from my iPadTim Ward

12 Waiwetu Street, 

Fendalton, 

Christchurch, 8052

New Zealand.

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz 

021 0640221

 	  Quote: 	
		  On 9/02/2022, at 11:58 AM, n7188u <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> wrote:



ï»¿--> Europa-List message posted by: "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com>



Hi Tim,



Thanks for the offer and I would gladly accept it. Please let me know how we can arrange to have it shipped to me. My address is:



Chris Martin

1805 Chandelle Court

Port Orange, FL 32128

USA



I remember seeing a picture of some sort of instructions for your boot. Do you still have it? If not NP, I think I can figure it out.



Chris





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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=505938#505938

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
Guest

Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 6:45 pm Post subject: Control Column Boot

Chris,Now posted so not sure how many daysâ€¦weeksâ€¦.months it will take these days! No tracking so might get lost in the ether, the upper regions of space; the clear sky; the heavens.!!!!



Good luck, report back.

Need further helpâ€¦ call

Sent from my iPhone



Tim Ward

12 Waiwetu Street

Fendalton 

CHRISTCHURCH 8052

Hom 03315166

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		  On 9/02/2022, at 14:32, timward <ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz> wrote:



ï»¿ï»¿ï»¿Hi Chris,I shall drop it in the post, no problem. Unpick the thread and get measurements for a leather-man or yourself to copy with your chosen colour, I suggest. 

Installation:

Create a fibreglass semi circular (elongated) fence from Tufnell control bearing housing, on the floor of the footwell,  about 50mm high. Feed the boot down the control column. It goes over the outside of the fence, stuck down and secured with Velcro.

Also along the outer surfaces of the Tufnell control bearing housing. Tie boot on stick. Complete! 

Cheers,

Tim



Sent from my iPadTim Ward

12 Waiwetu Street, 

Fendalton, 

Christchurch, 8052

New Zealand.

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz 

021 0640221

 	  Quote: 	
		  On 9/02/2022, at 11:58 AM, n7188u <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> wrote:



ï»¿--> Europa-List message posted by: "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com>



Hi Tim,



Thanks for the offer and I would gladly accept it. Please let me know how we can arrange to have it shipped to me. My address is:



Chris Martin

1805 Chandelle Court

Port Orange, FL 32128

USA



I remember seeing a picture of some sort of instructions for your boot. Do you still have it? If not NP, I think I can figure it out.



Chris





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n7188u

Joined: 15 Nov 2015
Posts: 395

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 3:47 am Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Thanks So much Tim. This will certainly make it easier. It may certainly go by space mail for all we know but I am confident that it will get here. 



Ron, I meant that the original floor had a single layer. I saw in your posting that you added a balsa core plus the two layers of glass. I think that was wise. 



Chris

rparigoris

Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 780

Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Hi Chris



I took some pics of stick boot info I have in my Build Manual last night figuring it may help you:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!Ah1S270Nwg9Vgec8hQfchfRdWHJcNA?e=Pgt1uj



Ron P.

n7188u

Joined: 15 Nov 2015
Posts: 395

Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2022 7:30 am Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Thanks Ron. Downloaded the info and between this and the boot Tim sent me I will be able to put something together to build a set for my airplane.



Chris

n7188u

Joined: 15 Nov 2015
Posts: 395

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Ron,



I noticed that on the printout of the boot shoes you posted (the picture with the 4" and 6" dimensions) there seems to be a left and a right. They are slightly skewed to opposite sides. 



Is that correct or are they supposed to be identical for port and starboard?



Thanks,

Chris

rparigoris

Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 780

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 2:48 pm Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Hi Chris

To be honest I can't remember if I followed drawing. I remember with wings off I didn't want anything on stick hitting boot holder. I kinda remember bending up a piece of aluminium to fit boot perfectly and also miss getting hit by stick with wings off.

I'm on way to hangar and will take a look for you.

Ron P.

rparigoris

Joined: 24 Nov 2009
Posts: 780

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Hi Chris I just checked and my boot shoes are symmetrical, starboard and port are identical. 6" length and 4" width. With my stick full up, the width of the boot where the lower connecting bolt is situated is 2.5" wide.

good Luck

Ron P.

n7188u

Joined: 15 Nov 2015
Posts: 395

Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Thanks Ron. Yes, the outlines are kind of like a left and right shoe 



Strange but for simplicity sake I'll make them equal.



Chris

n7188u

Joined: 15 Nov 2015
Posts: 395

Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Hi Tim,



I have to report that Lo and Behold I received a little package from the other side of the planet!



Only took 4 weeks so not too bad 



I felt so bad at unstitching the boot (it's kind of neat with that smooth New Zealand leather) that made my job hard and somehow created some patterns. I will make a sample and see how it goes.



Thanks,

Chris

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ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz
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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2022 2:34 pm Post subject: Control Column Boot

Chris, Pleased it arrived safely. Still have faith in the postal system despite the time factor these days. Good luck in the replication of it, would be interested to hear and see how in turns out. Donâ€™t know where the other one is!

All the best,

Tim



Sent from my iPadTim Ward

12 Waiwetu Street, 

Fendalton, 

Christchurch, 8052

New Zealand.

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz 

021 0640221

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Hi Tim,



I have to report that Lo and Behold I received a little package from the other side of the planet!



Only took 4 weeks so not too bad 



I felt so bad at unstitching the boot (it's kind of neat with that smooth New Zealand leather) that made my job hard and somehow created some patterns. I will make a sample and see how it goes.



Thanks,

Chris





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n7188u

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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 6:55 am Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

Well, a boot (with NZ roots) is born 



Not as nice as the leather version from Tim but since I am not a seamster by trade I think I did OK. I bought a Singer Heavy Duty 4411 (not industrial) machine that was relatively inexpensive a while back with hopes of doing my seats (not sure anymore that I want to do something like that but the machine is always handy to have around) and got a walking foot attachment which seems to be useful particularly when sewing the velcros.



I made a fence that I will bond to the floor (avoid doing any layups inside the airplane anymore if I can). 



Made it out of the thinnest and most stretchy vinyl fabric I could find. Have not installed it yet but will report when I do.



Thanks for the sample Tim. It really helped getting this done relatively quick.



Best,

Chris

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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:34 am Post subject: Control Column Boot

Hi Chris,Well done. Looks good and fibreglass fence essential. Velcro makes it easy to inspect control column universal on annual inspection, by simply shifting boot up the column.

Cheers,

Tim



Sent from my iPadTim Ward

12 Waiwetu Street, 

Fendalton, 

Christchurch, 8052

New Zealand.

ward.t(at)xtra.co.nz 

021 0640221

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		  On 19/03/2022, at 4:01 AM, n7188u <chmgarb(at)gmail.com> wrote:



ï»¿--> Europa-List message posted by: "n7188u" <chmgarb(at)gmail.com>



Well, a boot (with NZ roots) is born 



Not as nice as the leather version from Tim but since I am not a seamster by trade I think I did OK. I bought a Singer Heavy Duty 4411 (not industrial) machine that was relatively inexpensive a while back with hopes of doing my seats (not sure anymore that I want to do something like that but the machine is always handy to have around) and got a walking foot attachment which seems to be useful particularly when sewing the velcros.



I made a fence that I will bond to the floor (avoid doing any layups inside the airplane anymore if I can). 



Made it out of the thinnest and most stretchy vinyl fabric I could find. Have not installed it yet but will report when I do.



Thanks for the sample Tim. It really helped getting this done relatively quick.



Best,

Chris





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n7188u

Joined: 15 Nov 2015
Posts: 395

Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2022 12:49 pm Post subject: Re: Control Column Boot

I Think this will be my last update on this. Finished the pilot side and it sure looks good (if you don't get too close to it ). I got the boot finished for the copilot side but need to make the fence, attach velcro and bond in place.



If anyone is interested in patterns I can scan and provide them but only if I get permission from Tim W. since it's his boot design. It sure helped not have to design yet another thing in the Europa (kind of fun but gets old toward the end  ) 



Best,

Chris

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