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		rice(at)iapdatacom.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 8:09 am    Post subject: Tie Down | 
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				If you have a big wind coming up, remember the 1920's barnstormer trick. 
 Dig 2 holes in the dirt for the mains, make them deep enough to put the 
 wing at zero lift with the tailwheel on the ground. Put the mains in the 
 holes, fill them with dirt, then tie down your airplane. You'll have to 
 clean it up afterwards, but you'll still have an airplane even after one 
 heck of a wind.
 
 Larry the micro Mong guy
 
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		pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:16 am    Post subject: Tie Down | 
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				Dig 2 holes in the dirt for the mains, make them deep enough to put the wing 
 at zero lift with the tailwheel on the ground.>>
 
 Hi Larry,
 
 I reckon you will have earth halfway up the cage before you get a zero AoA 
 with the tail on the ground. The plane probably won`t blow away though.
 
 Cheers
 
 Pat
 
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		slyck(at)frontiernet.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 11:42 am    Post subject: Tie Down | 
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				Aha!  A new use for my backhoe.  Dig a big hole, bury the Kolb for the 
 winter.
 
 I worry now about the structural integrity of my old airplane shed 
 (hangar would be
 pretentious).  The wings are in there for the winter, wrapped in an old 
 pool cover.
 The plane is back in the subterranean shop.  To compensate for excess 
 snow load
 I prop up the center of the front beam with a jackscrew pipe.  I also 
 have a steel
 cable running in a V from the center to the top outer posts.
 Worked for over 30 years but nothing is forever.
 hunkered down BB
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 On 4, Nov 2006, at 2:16 PM, pat ladd wrote:
 
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  Dig 2 holes in the dirt for the mains, make them deep enough to put 
  the wing at zero lift with the tailwheel on the ground.>>
 
  Hi Larry,
 
  I reckon you will have earth halfway up the cage before you get a zero 
  AoA with the tail on the ground. The plane probably won`t blow away 
  though.
 
  Cheers
 
  Pat
 
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		a58r(at)verizon.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2006 3:46 pm    Post subject: Tie Down | 
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				Several of my past planes (GA..ugh) have had to be tied out for  
 various times. One way to keep them from soloing has been to make,  
 outa scrap, some top-of-wing spoilers. They were anywhere from 2-4  
 in. high, and at least 4 ft long, cushioned on bottom with either  
 salvaged styrofoam, old pcs of carpet, or under-carpet padding. They  
 were mounted about over the main spar, and held on with long bungees  
 that looped around chord-wise. A better way of mounting: make a thin  
 "hook" outa either scrap plywood or something flexible, that goes  
 from the spoiler forward and around the LE. A little thought and some  
 scrap (love that word) will yield a thing that will kill lift. Never  
 tried it on hor. stabs., but should work there.
 regards,
 Bob N.    FireFly 070 Old Kolb
 http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
 
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		pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:31 am    Post subject: Tie Down | 
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				some top-of-wing spoilers. They were anywhere from 2-4  in. high, and at 
 least 4 ft long, cushioned on bottom with either
 salvaged styrofoam, old pcs of carpet, or under-carpet padding.>>
 
 Hi,
 used to do that on the old Dagling and Zogling type gliders in the early 
 days when we used to bungee launch. In the early instruction phase the lift 
 killers were slid onto the leading edge and the guy under instruction was 
 dragged across the field by half a dozen other students while the instructor 
 ran alongside shouting .
 
 Mind you,  the damn things would hardly lift off even without the lift 
 killers but it was a safeguard if there was a sudden gust of wind.
 
 If you made them right they doubled as leading edge supports when the wing 
 was stacked away at the end of the session.
 
 Pat
 
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