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Afterfxllc(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: Fuel system

Does anyone have a diagram of the dual coil dual pump wiringfor the  corvair. I saw one on someone's site and can't for the life of me find it now. I  do remember it said WW thought it was pretty neat and it uses 2 batteries.

  

 Any help would be appreciated.

  

 Jeff

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dbortol

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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject: Fuel system

Mark Langford pioneered this setup on his KR2S. His site is probably the one you're thinking of. http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/electrical/index.html

 

WW's 601 is similar. He uses an oil pressure switch on the "main" side to shut the fuel pump off in a crash. I think he has a single battery.



On 11/17/06,  Afterfxllc(at)aol.com (Afterfxllc(at)aol.com) <Afterfxllc(at)aol.com (Afterfxllc(at)aol.com)> wrote:[quote]      Does anyone have a diagram of the dual coil dual pump wiringfor the  corvair. I saw one on someone's site and can't for the life of me find it now. I  do remember it said WW thought it was pretty neat and it uses 2 batteries.

  

 Any help would be appreciated.

  

 Jeff

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Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: Fuel system

Thats it thank you very much.

  

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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:26 am Post subject: Fuel System

In the end we are all individually responsible for our fuel system, this

is just a poor excuse for landing your plane with the big fan not

turning. As for fuel gauges, I don't ever remember a plane in which the

float system ever worked which is why I have installed a capacitance

sender in my fuel system. IS it better and more reliable? I'll let you

know in 10-15 years. As for the header tanks, don't kid yourself here

they came with there own series of problems. One big one is my aversion

to having fuel stored in my lap ( personal preference) the other is how

many people landed without fuel because they trusted the visual sight

tube which has become kinked or rotted and plugged out of view and

drained the fuel into the cabin during a bumpy ride. Another is the

valve started leaking at the bottom of the tank once again emptying fuel

into the cabin. These things have happened and to very experienced

pilots in 601's all of which were avoidable with regular maintenance.

Nevertheless, it still happened. The fuel system in the wings I believe

to be the safest system for the occupants of the plane. I'm writing this

for the new builders who may think that a header tank is a great thing

and can't understand why we don't have one ( which is a private question

I got) In short the answer is Been there, done that, threw it away! Some

people argue the merits of a header tank and there can be some I don't

argue that point but for the masses the better system is the wing tanks

with proper amount of fuel plus reserve for every flight. Also If you

have ever been trapped on the Taxi way with full fuel holding short for

20 minutes on a 90 degree day you will learn in one foul swoop to hate a

header tank. Venting fuel vapours into the cabin and also have several

idea's form into your head on how to topple the Tower responsible for

your dilemma. Best I could come up with was repeat triple for

instructions, poor revenge for my green skin.



Mark Townsend  Alma, Ontario

Zodiac 601XL C-GOXL, CH701 just started

www.ch601.org / www.ch701.com / www.Osprey2.com

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btucke73(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: Fuel System

I fly two Beech Travel Air biplanes just about every weekend for a local tour company.  The newer model was built in 1929.  They both use header tanks - and not just 15 gallons.  They are 42 gallons.  The old plane has been in operation for 79 years without any problems - with a header tank.  There are several people on the list that do not like the idea of fuel in the cockpit.  There are others that have run wing tanks dry due to fuel valve mismanagement.  It is a matter of preference.  

   

       As for all the Monday morning quarterbacking on Jim's incident.  Why don't we all stop kicking the corpse.  For all we know, he developed an undetectable leak.  We all know that we should, and how to check our fuel levels before takeoff.  It is a useless thread.  The only people that are quicker to crucify incident pilots than the media are other  pilots.

   

  R/

   

  Brandon

   

  601 HDS flight testing.



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naumuk(at)alltel.net
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:22 am Post subject: Fuel System

Amen. 

     It all comes down to luck.  Unless you've tapdanced your way through the same emergency situation before,  you're at a disadvantage. I know that if I were Jim, I would have done the best  job I could with what I had to work with. 

     I'm far from God's choice of  pilots. Are you? 

     He who casts the first  stone...

 Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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jeffrey_davidson(at)earth
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 8:54 am Post subject: Fuel System

Brandon,  

            With all due respect, I beg to differ.  I don't think anyone is kicking the corpse here and I also think the thread is useful if viewed in a constructive fashion.  I am a MASPL customer and was checked out in N601VA.  My previous post may have been too obscure to be clear.  It noted that fuel is not available at Sky Bryce.  Fuel exhaustion evidently was a factor in the accident.  This reaffirms one of the tendencies that the FAA warns about in their Fundamentals of Instruction required for the CFI rating.  Even when taking a short pleasure flight, we need to treat every flight with the same preflight precautions.  Various factors go into the IMSAFE calculation that we all make prior to each flight, but situational factors beyond our control may influence us to make less that perfect decisions.  We all need to be aware of that.  This is of particular importance at Sky Bryce, a beautiful full-season resort.  For those of us flying off airstrips or airports without services, and that is an important part of the Zenith community culture, this is especially important.  Each accident is an opportunity for us to review our own procedures.    

            As Samuel Johnson said, people more often need to be reminded that informed.  

            Jeff Davidson  

   

PS: Happy Thanksgiving to all those that celebrate this Holiday today!  

         

  

From: owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-zenith-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brandon Tucker

 Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 1:06 AM

 To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Fuel System  

  

     

I fly two Beech Travel Air biplanes just about every weekend for a local tour company.  The newer model was built in 1929.  They both use header tanks - and not just 15 gallons.  They are 42 gallons.  The old plane has been in operation for 79 years without any problems - with a header tank.  There are several people on the list that do not like the idea of fuel in the cockpit.  There are others that have run wing tanks dry due to fuel valve mismanagement.  It is a matter of preference.    

    

   

    

     As for all the Monday morning quarterbacking on Jim's incident.  Why don't we all stop kicking the corpse.  For all we know, he developed an undetectable leak.  We all know that we should, and how to check our fuel levels before takeoff.  It is a useless thread.  The only people that are quicker to crucify incident pilots than the media are other pilots.  

    

   

    

R/  

    

   

    

Brandon  

    

   

    

601 HDS flight testing.  

  

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ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 10:43 am Post subject: Fuel System

This reminds me about something I once read in internet:



"Whenever we talk about a pilot who has been killed in a flying accident,

 we should all keep  one thing in mind.

He called upon the sum of all his knowledge and made a judgment.

He  believed in it so strongly that he knowingly bet his life on it.

That his judgment was faulty  is a tragedy, not stupidity.

Every instructor, supervisor, pilot, and contemporary who ever spoke to him,

had an opportunity to influence his judgment,

so a little bit of all of us goes with  every pilot we lose."



Saludos

Gary Gower.



Bill Naumuk <naumuk(at)alltel.net> wrote:[quote]       Amen. 

     It all comes down to luck.  Unless you've tapdanced your way through the same emergency situation before,  you're at a disadvantage. I know that if I were Jim, I would have done the best  job I could with what I had to work with. 

     I'm far from God's choice of  pilots. Are you? 

     He who casts the first  stone...

 Bill Naumuk

HDS Fuselage

Townville, Pa

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