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runwayrex(at)juno.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 3:38 am Post subject: Open letter to the list administrator

Hi Matt, 

   I'm torn. One part of me feels that I'd like to send in my contribution for all the time and expense you put into this forum. The other part of me wants to send you my resignation from this list because of the continued jabber that shows up here like the one below. A couple weeks ago, you made the rules pretty clear to people that this babbling below doesn't belong here. Yet the same chatterboxes who love to send their personal conversations out for all of us to read don't seem to understand (or care). It appears to me that there is a very large number of us who want to read only Kitfox flying, building, and maintenance. Yet, over and over, a certain few use this as a chat room.  

   Maybe, just maybe, if you would respond immediately on the forum when messages are personal conversations like this, these chatterboxes will finally get the idea. I know it takes even more of your valuable time, but I'm guessing that I'm far from being the only one who is withholding donations because of this continued problem.  

Thanks for reading. 

Rex in Michigan 



---------- Forwarded Message ----------

--> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca>



I wish... High winds low ceilings here today.  Also ended up with a couple

of truck loads of topsoil where my improved lawn will be.



Manual Labour turns out to be a Newfoundlander!



Noel



[quote] --

occom

Joined: 26 Aug 2006
Posts: 404

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:20 am Post subject: Open letter to the list administrator

Rex, since you sent it as an open letter, and  therefore continued the "jabber" as you put it, I guess you are inviting  comment. I attend meetings all the time and even the most organised meeting of  people will include forays into areas not on the agenda, it happens that  sometimes these are very productive. 

  

 In the case of the very small message you quoted it  takes a second to download, scan and delete it without comment, even longer ones  are dealt with in similar fashion quickly. If the thread provides entertainment  or information to others why are you so keen to shut it down?  It's an  online community of many people, some of them are irritating from time to time.  I find those who seek to control and stifle others the most irritating of all.  

  

 BTW Matt has my small contribution, Thanks Matt!  And thanks Noel, sometimes I need a chuckle. 

   [quote][b]

Fox5flyer
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: Open letter to the list administrator

Rex, I totally agree with your sentiments.   Recently, several people made their complaints known, I personally sent a letter  to the list regarding this topic including quoting the list rules, and Matt  has reminded us also.   You're right, this is NOT A CHAT  LIST for whatever one feels they want to throw out there.  However, some  people, for whatever reasons, just cannot seem to get the message (no pun)  or perhaps they're choosing to ignore the rules intentionally.  Being on  this list is not a guarantee and it's not free.  Please follow the  rules!

 Rex, I certainly hope you will reconsider your  donation.  Matt Dralle (Matronics owner) works very hard to provide us this  forum and we all benefit greatly from it.  Hopefully those who are ignoring  the rules will reconsider what they're doing.

 Best Regards,

 Deke Morisse and Don Pearsall

 List Administrators

  

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Guy Buchanan

Joined: 16 Jul 2006
Posts: 1204
Location: Ramona, CA

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:57 am Post subject: Open letter to the list administrator

At 08:19 AM 11/19/2006, you wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		  In the case of the very small message you quoted it takes a second to 

download, scan and delete it without comment, even longer ones are dealt 

with in similar fashion quickly.


	


PLEASE! If you modify the topic, modify the Subject. If you revert to 

"chat", please modify the Subject to include "OFF TOPIC". That way people 

who don't want to read "chat" can rapidly move past it.



Thank you,

Guy Buchanan

K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 100% done, thanks mostly to Bob Ducar.



Do not archive

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Deceased K-IV 1200
A glider pilot too.

Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:13 am Post subject: Open letter to the list administrator

Sorry you feel that way, Rex. I sent my contribution in already. Does  

this give me the right to "jabber"? NO.  But if you will look at the  

posts that you are referring to, one poster was inquiring (I'm reading  

between the lines here) as to was there a problem with the list, as he  

hadn't gotten any list mail today. I responded that I had received a  

couple (hopefully answering his question) and that maybe they were  

FLYING...one of your key words. Another responded indirectly about  

FLYING (noting that he was not, due to high winds). Yes, we both  

included a few words that did NOT pertain to "Kitfox flying, building,  

and maintenance"...shame on us...I for one am self-flagellating myself,  

and will sit in a corner for the rest of the afternoon...I have 1.8 hrs  

of flying my Kitfox today, and can now serve my penance.



Lynn



On Sunday, November 19, 2006, at 06:37  AM, Rexster wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Hi Matt,



    I'm torn. One part of me feels that I'd like to send in my  

 contribution for all the time and expense you put into this forum. The  

 other part of me wants to send you my resignation from this list  

 because of the continued jabber that shows up here like the one below.  

 A couple weeks ago, you made the rules pretty clear to people that  

 this babbling below doesn't belong here. Yet the same chatterboxes who  

 love to send their personal conversations out for all of us to read  

 don't seem to understand (or care). It appears to me that there is a  

 very large number of us who want to read only Kitfox flying, building,  

 and maintenance. Yet, over and over, a certain few use this as a chat  

 room.



    Maybe, just maybe, if you would respond immediately on the forum  

 when messages are personal conversations like this, these chatterboxes  

 will finally get the idea. I know it takes even more of your valuable  

 time, but I'm guessing that I'm far from being the only one who is  

 withholding donations because of this continued problem.



 Thanks for reading.



 Rex in Michigan

 ---------- Forwarded Message ----------

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca>



 I wish... High winds low ceilings here today.  Also ended up with a cou 

 ple

 of truck loads of topsoil where my improved lawn will be.



 Manual Labour turns out to be a Newfoundlander!



 Noel



 > -----Original Message-----

 > From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of 

 > Lynn Matteson

 > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:59 PM

 > To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: List Activity

 > 

 > 

 > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>

 > 

 > I've only had a couple...maybe they are all watching football....or 

 > like me they are/were all flying?

 > 

 > Lynn

 > do not archive

 > On Saturday, November 18, 2006, at 08:47  PM, Dee Young wrote:

 > 

 > > I haven't received any list mail today???????

 > >  

 > > Dee

 > >  

 > > Do Not Achive

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > 

 > 

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 -- "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca> wrote:

 --> Kitfox-List message posted by: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys(at)yahoo.ca>



 I wish... High winds low ceilings here today.  Also ended up with a cou 

 ple

 of truck loads of topsoil where my improved lawn will be.



 Manual Labour turns out to be a Newfoundlander!



 Noel



 > -----Original Message-----

 > From: owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 > [mailto:owner-kitfox-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of 

 > Lynn Matteson

 > Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 11:59 PM

 > To: kitfox-list(at)matronics.com

 > Subject: Re: Kitfox-List: List Activity

 > 

 > 

 > --> Kitfox-List message posted by: Lynn Matteson <lynnmatt(at)jps.net>

 > 

 > I've only had a couple...maybe they are all watching football....or 

 > like me they are/were all flying?

 > 

 > Lynn

 > do not archive

 > On Saturday, November 18, 2006, at 08:47  PM, Dee Young wrote:

 > 

 > > I haven't received any list mail today???????

 > >  

 > > Dee

 > >  

 > > Do Not Achive

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > >

 > 

 > 

 > 

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Lynn
Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
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rliebmann(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 9:57 am Post subject: Open letter to the list administrator

I personally enjoy the "family" atmosphere of the list. In the years that 

have past since I joined the list, I have found the delete button easy to 

use in cases where I have no interest in the conversation posted. I have 

never been bothered by off topic conversations. I enjoy the "jabber" and 

know where to find the delete button.



Good job List Administrators!      I really enjoy being one of the family.



Ron   N55KF



DO NOT ARCHIVE



 	  Quote: 	
		  

 Sorry you feel that way, Rex. I sent my contribution in already. Does 

 this give me the right to "jabber"? NO.  But if you will look at the

akflyer
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Open letter to the list administrator

I am new to the list but I sent in my contribution lastnight.  As a webmaster for our local EAA, local RC club, and my own online business, I know the countless hours and hidden costs that these lists have.  I am new to the experimental side of aircraft, but am not new to flying.  I have found info on this list to be very helpfull and look forward to the digest everymorning.



For those of you who have issues with the chat, just subscribe to the list digest, you get one email a day and can scan thru it very quickly, then hit the delete button...



Thanks Matt for the great site.  I think I will send in another contribution today.

84KF
Guest

Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 11:13 am Post subject: Re: Open letter to the list administrator

Don't worry Noel, but it seems you have been chosen the "whipping boy " of the week by the self-proclaimed internet police. 

  Opps....I forgot to use a word like Kitfox, or, airplane in my post. 



steve

skyring

Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Posts: 32

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Open letter to the list administrator

In my opinion this list is a community as well as a valuable source of inormation about Kitfox aircraft. Much of the entertaining "chat" is, at least for me, as powerful a reason for being on the list as the technical information. I learn about the personalities that fly these planes and when our fox is flying I will meet up with some of them. So let's not have a list that is purely technical. Let us have a list that is informative, funny and at times personal. I find it easy to skip the topics I don't need. 

Kerry. Kitfox builders helper. 

Almost ready to fly (again) S5 Outback.

84KF
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: Open letter to the list administrator

The prior poster DID use the words Flying, and the word Kitfox...therefor  the post has been approved and is properly formatted. 

steve

MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject: Open letter to the list administrator

Steve sez:



 	  Quote: 	
		  ...it seems you have been chosen the "whipping boy " of the week by 

the self-proclaimed internet police.


	


Nothing self-proclaimed about it.  Deke and Don are the list 

administrators and they DO make the rules.  The company Matt OWNS 

hosts the list.  The rest of us are guests and should behave 

accordingly.



Mike G.

N728KF

84KF
Guest

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: Re: Open letter to the list administrator

Agreed, and not disputed.



But not according to the whim of each individual who disaproves. What the fun in that?

steve

MichaelGibbs(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 7:35 am Post subject: Open letter to the list administrator

Steve sez:



 	  Quote: 	
		  ...But not according to the whim of each individual who disaproves.


	


No whims are involved.  The rules are in writing and have not changed 

significantly in many years.  Every few months we have a rash of 

"please stay on topic" messages followed by an equally sizeable rash 

of "it's easy to delete the off-topic ones" messages.  Both camps 

have valid points, of course, and we typically end up right where we 

started.



Mike G.

N728KF

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