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tedd(at)vansairforce.org
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:57 pm Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

There are several blank articles on the RV Wiki frequently-asked-questions page

that are crying out to have something added.  If you have any knowledge or

interest in any of these areas, please feel free to start an article.



Airframe

--------



Baggage capacity: what are my options for increasing it?

Fuel tanks: should I slosh them or seal them?

Smoking rivets: what do I do about them?



Controls

--------



Right stick left throttle: how can I do it?

I have a physical disability, how can I modify my RV's controls so I can fly it?

Electrics and Lighting

----------------------



Cockpit lighting: what are my choices?

Landing lights: what are my options?

Instruments and Avionics

AOA gauges: are they worthwhile?

Autopilots: which is best?

Gyros and acro: do they mix?



Painting

--------



Primers: which should I use?

Trim: decals or paint?

Propellers

Acro: which propeller is best?

Pitch: can or should I change it?



You'll find instructions on adding a new page here:



http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Help:Starting_a_new_page



and instructions on editing an existing page here:



http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Help:Edit



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Tedd McHenry

Surrey, BC, Canada

DO NOT ARCHIVE

lhelming(at)sigecom.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

There are already lots of opinions and answers for the questions you bring 

up in your post below.  I suggest you check the archives and get the best 

thought of hundreds who have gone before you.  If after doing that you still 

have questions, I am sure you will get lots of answers if any questions 

still remain.  http://www.matronics.com/search/



Indiana Larry



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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

My read is that he wants concise writeups on those subjects for all to 

use, not advice on random subjects for himself. The wiki will be much 

more useful than this list for 'how-to' questions, because a searcher 

won't have to wade through literally 10's of thousands of messages to 

find an answer. Even using the search engine on the list, you still must 

read through dozens or even hundreds of 'me too', 'I agree', posts 

written about totally different subjects but with the wrong subject 

line, etc to get an answer.



Wiki's are great tools once they are populated with data. Go prowl 

around Wikipedia & pick just about any subject of interest to see how 

useful they can be.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page



For instance, here's the entry for Van's Aircraft:



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van%27s_Aircraft



See something that's incorrect? Register, then log in & correct it.



Charlie



LarryRobertHelming wrote:



[quote]



There are already lots of opinions and answers for the questions you bring 

up in your post below.  I suggest you check the archives and get the best 

thought of hundreds who have gone before you.  If after doing that you still 

have questions, I am sure you will get lots of answers if any questions 

still remain.  http://www.matronics.com/search/



Indiana Larry



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sears(at)searnet.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:46 am Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

Even though I still support the RV-list, it's getting very difficult to use

because of the constant bombardment of chatter that has nothing to do with a

given subject line.  I don't want to spend a lot of time going through a lot

of trash mail just to find out that I didn't get the answer to my question,

anyway.  Some think of the RV-list as a chat room that's open for discussion

on anything.  If "do not archive" is used, it's not a totally bad thing;

but, many don't use it and fill the archives with garbage mail that keeps

building and building.  If Matt had some way to clean out the garbage, that

would be fine; but, he keeps adding more lists, which makes it even more

difficult to manage at the micro level.  I know nothing about wikis and

blogs; but, I may have to go back to the wiki and take a second look.  It

may be what we more serious listers are looking for.  I've been on the

RV-list for about ten years; but, I can change.



Jim Sears in KY

RV-6A N198JS

RV-7A #70317 (finishing wings)

EAA Tech Counselor

do not archive

 	  Quote: 	
		   My read is that he wants concise writeups on those subjects for all to

 use, not advice on random subjects for himself. The wiki will be much

 more useful than this list for 'how-to' questions, because a searcher

 won't have to wade through literally 10's of thousands of messages to

 find an answer. Even using the search engine on the list, you still must

 read through dozens or even hundreds of 'me too', 'I agree', posts

 written about totally different subjects but with the wrong subject

 line, etc to get an answer.



 Wiki's are great tools once they are populated with data. Go prowl

 around Wikipedia & pick just about any subject of interest to see how

 useful they can be.

flynlow(at)usaviator.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 7:05 am Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

AMEN JIM;



I have been on the list for about a year and have found it to be very time

consuming to gain anything from it. I have ask questions a couple of time

and been ignored. The list does not seem to cater to anyone who is building

a traditional airplane, rather it seem to be for those building high tech

machines. I have found that over the past few months I have not even read

the emails, simply stored them. This one simply caught my eye so I am

responding.



Bud Silvers

RV - 8 finishing in Colorado...



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tedd(at)vansairforce.org
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 8:59 am Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

Our vision for the RV Wiki has always been that it would be complementary to

the RV List and the other email lists and forums.  The wiki is more like that

folder full of RV List posts that you keep because they have information you

think is valuable.  Only it's everyone's folder of valuable posts all compiled

together, with indexes, cross references, and a search engine.



At the moment, there are only 25 wiki members, most of whom have yet to

contribute more than a few words or a link here and there.  So it's like the RV

List in the very early days when it had about 25 members.  Each day it grows

and gets a little better, and the potential is unlimited.



Probably the best current example of what the wiki can be is the article Gluing

Your Canopy.



	http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Gluing_Your_Canopy



The original article was posted by Rob Prior a week ago last Friday, and was

very good.  It has since been revised and added to about twenty times, by

several different people, and is now probably the best single source of

information on canopy gluing anywhere.



Most builders I know feel that their knowledge or opinion is so limited,

compared to The Greats, that they're reluctant to write it down in a public

place like the wiki.  But there's really no need to feel shy.  One of the best

things you can do on the wiki is start a new subject that you think is

worthwhile, even if your knowledge about it is limited.  Others will come along

and add their wisdom or, if necessary, correct your mistakes.



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Tedd McHenry

Surrey, BC, Canada

DO NOT ARCHIVE

Jim Anglin

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 47
Location: Independence, OR (7S5 Airpark)

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:06 am Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

I think you missed the point Larry.  He is asking for people to make contributions to the Wiki pages.  I have used them, made contributions, and find them very helpful.  Go to the site and see what is being developed there.  When many people have contributed and this site is a wealth of information the archives on Matronics sites will have cobwebs from lack of use.  As far as I am concerned the Wiki pages are the new wave of fingertip info.   I avoid the list archives like the plague because it takes forever to browse your way through a hundred hits to find the right info.  That is why there are so many redundant questions on the list.  Don't misunderstand me - the list is a great place (it would be better without the usenet mentality I see here a lot) and I have been lurking here since it first started and it has helped me a lot.  I just think the Wiki will be a good source of information without the encumbrances of email articles that a person has no interest in.



Jim

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Jim Anglin
HR II N144HR

rv8ch

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 250
Location: Switzerland

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

 	  Quote: 	
		   Our vision for the RV Wiki has always been that it would be complementary to

 the RV List and the other email lists and forums.  The wiki is more like that

 folder full of RV List posts that you keep because they have information you

 think is valuable.  Only it's everyone's folder of valuable posts all compiled

 together, with indexes, cross references, and a search engine.


	


I think this is an excellent project, and I applaud your

work to get this going.



One question - who "owns" the site, the contributions,

and what are the long term plans for it?  You're not

going to trick us all into fleshing out the site, and

then you get to make millions on google ads?  



-- 

Mickey Coggins

http://www.rv8.ch/

#82007 finishing

do not archive

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Mickey Coggins
http://www.rv8.ch/

dwight(at)openweave.org
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:33 am Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

On Mon Jan 30 13:18:56 2006, Mickey Coggins wrote :

 	  Quote: 	
		  One question - who "owns" the site, the contributions,

and what are the long term plans for it?  You're not

going to trick us all into fleshing out the site, and

then you get to make millions on google ads?  


	


This is an excellent question, and as one of the "owners" I'll jump

in and give my answer. At the moment I, technically, "own" the RV

Wiki in as much as I pay for the hosting, have registered the domain

name, and try and keep the technical end of things working. Tedd is,

in my opinion, the other "owner" as he has taken on the awesome task

of being RV-Wiki content shepherd and prime evangelist.



Long term plans (and it is my belief that Tedd and I are completely

in sync on this) are to simply grow it as best we can. No Google ads.

No "premium access" games where you pay a fee for the "good stuff".

No tricks. The intent is to strive to create a value repository of

information ... one complimentary to all the existing forums and

mailing lists. It is *different*, and as such does not replace any

of them, but simply adds new value to the options builders have for

getting needed/useful information.



Because of this we actually have some concern about our ability to

support the site ... and may, eventually, have to solicit for some

donations. We aren't there yet, and hope to not be for some time to

come. Until there is enough value to make it *worth* people donating

then it really isn't an issue.   Don't get me wrong, there is some

good stuff there already. I'm, personally, very impressed. But it is

clearly in the early stages and has a long way to go. So you may well

see a PayPal link show up on the RV Wiki one day, but it will be an

optional and voluntary donation link, not a sign-up-to-access sort of

link.



Finally, I believe that the REAL answer to your question is that

*every* *single* *contributor* "owns" the RV-Wiki. Yes this is a very

idealistic viewpoint. Yes, it asks that you trust to our good intentions.

I ask that you give us the benefit of the doubt, contribute, and give

us the opportunity to show that your trust is well placed.



  -- Dwight



PS: I think I will let this one be archived, as I think the question is

very valid, and the answer important. I could be wrong, of course.

tedd(at)vansairforce.org
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

 	  Quote: 	
		   



 One question - who "owns" the site, the contributions,

 and what are the long term plans for it?  You're not

 going to trick us all into fleshing out the site, and

 then you get to make millions on google ads?  


	


A reasonable question, considering how some things have developed on the web.



No, there are no plans to commercialize the RV Wiki whatsoever, or limit access

in any way.  If it expands to the point where storage space and bandwidth

become expensive we'll probably have to embark on some sort of fundraising

drive, as Matt does with the Matronics lists.  But that point is well in the

future, if it is ever reached.



Dwight Frye owns the server account on which the wiki is hosted.  So in that

sense I guess you could say he "owns" the wiki.  But the content of the wiki is

not copyrighted as such.  It's freely available on the same basis as any

documentation covered under the GNU Free Documentation License.  (Refer to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License.)



By the way, please do not post or upload any copyrighted information to the RV

Wiki without the permission of the copyright holder.



---



Tedd McHenry

Surrey, BC, Canada

DO NOT ARCHIVE

gerf(at)gerf.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:40 am Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

Hee hee, one of the assumptions of a "Wiki" is that you can 

reach a general consensus on a topic, that might prove 

difficult 



Its an admirable effort though - I had a conversation with 

another builder on just this topic - sometimes its really hard 

to search for answers to your question - what keywords would I 

use.



I for one will make an effort to contribute - when I have time 

off from my build 



g

[quote] 

 

 

 My read is that he wants concise writeups on those subjects for all to 

 use, not advice on random subjects for himself. The wiki will be much 

 more useful than this list for 'how-to' questions, because a searcher 

 won't have to wade through literally 10's of thousands of messages to 

 find an answer. Even using the search engine on the list, you 

 still must 

 read through dozens or even hundreds of 'me too', 'I agree', posts 

 written about totally different subjects but with the wrong subject 

 line, etc to get an answer.

 

 Wiki's are great tools once they are populated with data. Go prowl 

 around Wikipedia & pick just about any subject of interest to see how 

 useful they can be.

 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

 

 For instance, here's the entry for Van's Aircraft:

 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van%27s_Aircraft

 

 See something that's incorrect? Register, then log in & correct it.

 

 Charlie

 

 LarryRobertHelming wrote:

 

 >

 >

 >There are already lots of opinions and answers for the questions you bring 

 >up in your post below.  I suggest you check the archives and get the best 

 >thought of hundreds who have gone before you.  If after doing that you still 

 >have questions, I am sure you will get lots of answers if any questions 

 >still remain.  http://www.matronics.com/search/

 >

 >Indiana Larry

 >

 >---

vans-dragon(at)lapdragon.
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

As sears(at)searnet.com was saying:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Even though I still support the RV-list, it's getting very difficult to use

 because of the constant bombardment of chatter that has nothing to do with a

 given subject line.  


	


Jim, 



Internet mailing lists are almost invariably a community more than a technical 

forum.  If you're looking solely for technical information, a wiki is much more

precise.  It's not an alternative to an email list, but a supplement.

In this day and age, where most of us have no sense of community in our

daily lives, it becomes even more important to have a sense of knowing

the people you deal with online--  thus do mailing lists and web forums

support one side of the issue, and wikis the other. 



Now if there was only some sort of ideal piece of technology for

political/technological/theological debates, we'd be all set. ;> 



do not archive

-Kysh

--

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

Those of us building airplanes know how much money we can sink into a 

'hobby' ...... but then again, the bar seems to be raising all the time. 

 If I may offer a premature suggestion:  When it comes down to the need 

for outside investment in the wiki, why not create a section for 

advertisers instead of having them in you face all the time???  Since 

the wiki is an open forum (anyone can edit or change any/all info) then 

the vendor section can use it to post prices and inventory availability 

.... and folks can go 'shopping' in that area just as they would a 

store or other online merchandiser.  Just a thought!!!

Linn

do not archive

Dwight Frye wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

On Mon Jan 30 13:18:56 2006, Mickey Coggins wrote :

>One question - who "owns" the site, the contributions,

>and what are the long term plans for it?  You're not

>going to trick us all into fleshing out the site, and

>then you get to make millions on google ads?  

>    

>

This is an excellent question, and as one of the "owners" I'll jump

in and give my answer. At the moment I, technically, "own" the RV

Wiki in as much as I pay for the hosting, have registered the domain

name, and try and keep the technical end of things working. Tedd is,

in my opinion, the other "owner" as he has taken on the awesome task

of being RV-Wiki content shepherd and prime evangelist.

Long term plans (and it is my belief that Tedd and I are completely

in sync on this) are to simply grow it as best we can. No Google ads.

No "premium access" games where you pay a fee for the "good stuff".

No tricks. The intent is to strive to create a value repository of

information ... one complimentary to all the existing forums and

mailing lists. It is *different*, and as such does not replace any

of them, but simply adds new value to the options builders have for

getting needed/useful information.

Because of this we actually have some concern about our ability to

support the site ... and may, eventually, have to solicit for some

donations. We aren't there yet, and hope to not be for some time to

come. Until there is enough value to make it *worth* people donating

then it really isn't an issue.   Don't get me wrong, there is some

good stuff there already. I'm, personally, very impressed. But it is

clearly in the early stages and has a long way to go. So you may well

see a PayPal link show up on the RV Wiki one day, but it will be an

optional and voluntary donation link, not a sign-up-to-access sort of

link.

Finally, I believe that the REAL answer to your question is that

*every* *single* *contributor* "owns" the RV-Wiki. Yes this is a very

idealistic viewpoint. Yes, it asks that you trust to our good intentions.

I ask that you give us the benefit of the doubt, contribute, and give

us the opportunity to show that your trust is well placed.

  -- Dwight

PS: I think I will let this one be archived, as I think the question is

very valid, and the answer important. I could be wrong, of course.

Mark Phillips in TN

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 431
Location: Columbia, TN

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:16 pm Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

In a message dated 1/30/06 2:07:23 PM Central Standard Time, 

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.net writes:



 	  Quote: 	
		   When it comes down to the need 

 for outside investment in the wiki, why not create a section for 

 advertisers instead of having them in you face all the time???  


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  >>


	


Great suggestion, Linn- I'll add that a simple link in any article, just 

using the product or vendor name that takes you to the Vendor area would be 

slick...



Mark do not archive

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From The PossumWorks...

cjensen(at)dts9000.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

Kysh wrote....



Now if there was only some sort of ideal piece of technology for

political/technological/theological debates, we'd be all set. ;> 

Kysh,

There is...it's called the ballot box and from the looks of things, we

haven't been exercising it as frequently and in as discerning manner as

we should.



Chuck



Do Not Archive

dwight(at)openweave.org
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

This is a good suggestion .. and might well be the lesser of all the

various evils. It is (maybe) a little premature, but there is certainly

even an argument to be made that sharing vendor information is just 

another part of sharing "community knowledge". This is one that Tedd

and I will have to discuss and consider.



It really does seem to walk the fine line between having in-your-face

ads (which we do NOT intend to have) and having an all-donation sort

of funding approach (which can be .. *ahem* .. challenging). In fact,

I have just created a "Funding" page where we can share thoughts on

the issue. Go to :



 http://www.rvwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:RVWiki_Funding



Since it is I who is paying out of pocket, I thought it might as well

be me that created the page.   Again, thanks for the suggestion!



  -- Dwight



do not archive



On Mon Jan 30 18:03:32 2006, linn Walters wrote :

 	  Quote: 	
		  Those of us building airplanes know how much money we can sink into a 

'hobby' ...... but then again, the bar seems to be raising all the time. 

 If I may offer a premature suggestion:  When it comes down to the need 

for outside investment in the wiki, why not create a section for 

advertisers instead of having them in you face all the time???  Since 

the wiki is an open forum (anyone can edit or change any/all info) then 

the vendor section can use it to post prices and inventory availability 

..... and folks can go 'shopping' in that area just as they would a 

store or other online merchandiser.  Just a thought!!!

Linn

c.ennis(at)insightbb.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:56 pm Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

Jim,

 I agree and I couldn't have said it better.

  Flying an RV-6A in Kentucky

Charlie Ennis

jsflyrv

Joined: 03 Jan 2006
Posts: 22

Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:56 pm Post subject: RV Wiki FAQ

Kysh wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

As sears(at)searnet.com was saying:

>

>

>Even though I still support the RV-list, it's getting very difficult to use

>because of the constant bombardment of chatter that has nothing to do with a

>given subject line.  

>    

>

Jim, 

Internet mailing lists are almost invariably a community more than a technical 

forum.  If you're looking solely for technical information, a wiki is much more

precise.  It's not an alternative to an email list, but a supplement.

In this day and age, where most of us have no sense of community in our

daily lives, it becomes even more important to have a sense of knowing

the people you deal with online--  thus do mailing lists and web forums

support one side of the issue, and wikis the other. 

Now if there was only some sort of ideal piece of technology for

political/technological/theological debates, we'd be all set. ;> 

do not archive

-Kysh

I only wish that Matt would moderate this topic. Talk about something 

useless going on and on and on.

I guess that is one of the great things about this RV-List there is no 

moderation OR advertising and people

can use it to promote their own RV web sites.

do not archive

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