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bcollinsrv7a(at)comcast.n
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 Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
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I think Doug's shown himself to be a good guy too. YMMV.
Bob
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From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
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<rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
I agree, the moderators are good people. I'm talking about the owner of the
list and I am speaking from fact on the -10 Yahoo list.
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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
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Michael's right about this. Posts were edited so that any
information pointing people to Matronics was excluded,
among other things being edited out.
In the end though, Smitty, what you'll find is that this will
be a good thing. The Matronics List is superior to the Yahoo
lists in many ways, and the archives are more "permanent" and
can give a more complete search response. Also, I think that
unless people want the form based list style, there is a benefit
to keeping a fairly unified group of builders together in a
single spot. If you have questions, it's nice to have the
whole community there to answer. Multiple lists just
fractures the group and people get confused about where
the resources are (think new builders just starting
their kit). Matt has done a bunch of things to improve
the RV-10 list. I'm not sure how much he has on the other
lists, but we can post some limited attachments, we have web
forum style availability, and he shortened our email footer
for us, among other things. If they aren't on this list,
I'd bet they could be with a few requests. Spam here
is low, and ads are almost non-existant. Tons of great
RV stuff delivered direct to your inbox.
Oh, and at donation time each year, you have the opportunity
to get a CD of the entire archive. So, you know the stuff
just isn't going away. Good info long into the future.
Just don't forget the appropriate use of: Do Not Archive,
which in itself is a super feature of this list.
Tim Olson -- RV-10
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RV Builder (Michael Sausen) wrote:
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<rvbuilder(at)sausen.net>
I wouldn't expect anything that advertises another list to make it
through moderation on the Yahoo lists. When the RV-10 builders
mutinied and moved from Yahoo to Matronics, most of the posts letting
everyone know where we went were removed from the archives and then
blocked once the owner of the list caught on. We also were routinely
having edited posts without any comment that they were edited by the
moderator. I'm willing to bet he is being even more diligent if he
is shutting down the lists.
Michael Sausen Do not archive
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khorton01(at)rogers.com
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 2:01 pm Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
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On 30 Jan 2006, at 10:13, Folbrecht, Paul wrote:
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<PFolbrecht(at)starkinvestments.com>
Which begs the question as to why the other lists are needed at all.
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The Yahoo groups have one big advantage over the RV-Lists -
moderation. The moderation keeps things on-topic (no long threads
about the demise of another list, for example), and stops the
occasional bouts of flaming that have driven many good, yet thin-
skinned, people from some of the Matronics lists.
I'll be the first to admit that the Yahoo groups aren't perfect, and
that the Matronics lists have many advantages too.
The Yahoo system won't disappear. Either Doug will agree to pass the
keys to his groups on to someone else, or someone else will start a
new set of groups. Don't worry.
Kevin Horton RV-8 (finishing kit)
Ottawa, Canada
http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8
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ptrotter
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Posts: 28
Location: Westchester County, NY
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 4:00 pm Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
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I agree that Doug is a good guy and I like his site quite a bit, having
contributed both information and money to it, but I am disappointed in his
decision to unilaterally shut down the Yahoo Groups (in favor of his for
profit site) even though several people, including myself, have offered to
take over ownership. I think the RV community should decide which sites
survive through usage, not the whim of a single individual. I believe these
Yahoo Groups have grown too large to continue with the concept of a single
owner, and if an owner no longer wants to be involved, he should turn it
over to someone else. This is very easy to do, and Yahoo even allows
multiple group owners. I realize that a new group can be created very
quickly, but we will lose the archives, and I think it is just silly to
have to do this.
It has always been my concern that any site that is owned, or hosted, by an
individual is subject to their whim, regardless of their good intentions and
I felt that Yahoo, with all its limitations, was a good solution as it does
not have to be in the control of a single person. I guess I should have
been concerned there too.
I still hope Doug changes his mind, and my offer to "own" the RV-8 group
still holds, as I feel that there is room for multiple information sources
that meet various builder's needs.
Paul
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seipel(at)seznam.cz
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:11 pm Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
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I'll keep my opinion on the ownership of the groups to myself, but one
thing I have to comment on is the fact that people keep mentioning the
archives. Have you ever used the archives on the Yahoo groups? The
interface is absolutely worthless, and searching is next to impossible
unless you have a lot of time to waste. At least on Doug's site and
here on Matronics you actually get usable, searchable archives. I used
the Yahoo RV-10 group when I started my RV-10 because that's where the
discussions were. Now that they've moved here, I find that I don't miss
the Yahoo group at all.
PJ
RV-10 #40032
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Paul Trotter wrote:
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I agree that Doug is a good guy and I like his site quite a bit, having
contributed both information and money to it, but I am disappointed in his
decision to unilaterally shut down the Yahoo Groups (in favor of his for
profit site) even though several people, including myself, have offered to
take over ownership. I think the RV community should decide which sites
survive through usage, not the whim of a single individual. I believe these
Yahoo Groups have grown too large to continue with the concept of a single
owner, and if an owner no longer wants to be involved, he should turn it
over to someone else. This is very easy to do, and Yahoo even allows
multiple group owners. I realize that a new group can be created very
quickly, but we will lose the archives, and I think it is just silly to
have to do this.
It has always been my concern that any site that is owned, or hosted, by an
individual is subject to their whim, regardless of their good intentions and
I felt that Yahoo, with all its limitations, was a good solution as it does
not have to be in the control of a single person. I guess I should have
been concerned there too.
I still hope Doug changes his mind, and my offer to "own" the RV-8 group
still holds, as I feel that there is room for multiple information sources
that meet various builder's needs.
Paul
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ptrotter
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 28
Location: Westchester County, NY
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 5:44 pm Post subject: Yahoo RV Lists are going bye-bye |
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I agree that the Yahoo search function is poor, but there are times when I
have gone back and looked for something I knew I had read before.
I'm not knocking either Doug's site or Matronics, I actually use both of
those more than I use the Yahoo groups. I just think that there are enough
people who, for whatever reason, prefer the Yahoo groups and people should
be able to choose whatever method they like best. In the long run the
community will select its choice as people migrate to where the best
information is. I just want to see it happen naturally, rather than forced.
These groups have helped me enough that I am willing to put in some time
helping run a group as a way of returning the help I have received. It just
doesn't make sense to start a new group when it only takes a minute to
change ownership of the existing group where all the members are already
registered. Regardless of what happens, I will continue to support both
Doug's site and the Matronics site.
Paul
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