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mr.k.masonry(at)verizon.n
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:37 am Post subject: Kolb trainers/dealers!

Can anyone help me out, I'm looking to get a little  stick time in a two place kolb and having trouble finding someone close by. I  live In Erie, PA off Lake Erie.I have purchased a single place firestar kxp and  need the training to fly my bird. Any info would be Greatly Appreciated!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Steve

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Malcolmbru(at)aol.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: Kolb trainers/dealers!

no problem, forget about it,  I tough my self to fly a kxp after only  46 hrs in a quicksilverMX  and 2 hrs of  touch and go,s in  a   C 150   just be careful you will be  fine     mal

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: Kolb trainers/dealers!

| no problem, forget about it,  I tough my self to fly a kxp after 

only  46 hrs

| in a quicksilverMX  and 2 hrs of  touch and go,s in  a   C 150 

just be

| careful you will be  fine     mal

|



Malcomb:



Most of us, on the Kolb List, are not extraordinary aviators.  We 

require and recommend adequate training before we commit aviation.



Just being careful does not get it!



john h

mkIII



DO NOT ARCHIVE

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Don G

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 156
Location: Central Illinois

Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb trainers/dealers!

I got my first rating at Spartan back in 75...I have not accumulated as much time in those 30 plus years as alot of fellas, but I have been at the Helm of alot of different birds From Weedhoppers to Beech 18s..and even got a little time in a Lockheed P-38...back when you could rent one. (Yes...there is only one thing more thrilling than running the throttle on an Allison....and thats wrapping your fist around 2 of em!)

Still, after I built a Kolb...I just didnt feel I had the experience to safely test fly it without at least a ride in one with a competent pilot.

Maybe I could have handled it ok....Maybe not.

I will say that upon retrospect, It was the first pusher I had attempted with such a high thrust line...and it was...and still is a little unusual in the handling dept when you work the throttle up and down. A very different response on the airframe than anything I had ever had the opportunity to command. Not bad mind you, just different.

I also know how hard it is to set around and look at newly aquired airplane waiting to get a checkride. I was lucky to find a sky gypsy flying a Kolb who was passing thru and he was good enough to give me a ride. I am real glad he did...that FireFly probably would not have killed me...but I could have easily bent it and hurt myself in the process.

Alot of the FAA's rules are good ones and created with safety in mind. The Check ride rule I think is about the best one. It may not legally apply to non-regulated air vehicles, but that does not mean its not a good idea.

I have no problem recommending at least a check ride to anyone who has not flown a Kolb....or any unfamiliar design. It is what I did...would do...and will do again when I want to try something new.

It doesnt cost much and cannot hurt a thing..compared to what the risk is.



Stay safe...someone might be depending on you for something you need to be healthy to accomplish.



Thanks again to that old flying Gypsy!

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Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:19 pm Post subject: Kolb trainers/dealers!

The FAA has good programs.  Check rides are a good idea and have saved

many an airplane and pilot.  However, I have found nothing wrong with

self check outs.  Yes, they take many hours of taxing and later crow hop

etc.  But, if you are expert in ground handling, then there is little

left to learn when airborne.  Landings and takeoffs are situations where

ground handling is important.  I now have over 40 hours in my Kolb Mark

III Classic and only 18 hours of flight time.  I learned and have taught

ground loops in Cubs, Citabrias, Chiefs and Kolbs.  Ground loops are

bad, but controlled ground loops are very good practice for the real

thing.  The Kolbs are forgiving airplanes, but they are still to be

respected.  The answer to safety is practice, practice, practice.  Like

Bob Hoover once admitted that he had 37 controlled crashes  (that was

about 20 or more years ago). He tried to impart the importance of

planning ahead.  Learn your airplane because they all fly somewhat

differently.  Know it's limitations and enjoy the beauty of flight

safely.  Flying in a Kolb is one of the most beautiful ways to enjoy the

true essence of the beauty of flight.

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:04 am Post subject: Kolb trainers/dealers!

Steve,



I know there are several Kolbs in western NY, just up the road a bit 

from you, some of which are two-seaters. I do not know all of them but 

Bob Bean, an active member on this list who flies a MkIII knows of most 

of the Kolbs in our area. He may or may not be able to help you out. I 

know right now he is in Jupiter, FL for a week of R&R and off the list 

while until he gets back. Find one of his past posts and send  him a 

direct email and see what he says.



Although I taught myself to fly an early Firestar I had many recent 

hours in sorta-similar airplanes and have self-taught myself to fly 

several, getting some stick time in a Kolb is a smart and safe 

approach. You did not mention what you have been flying recently. That 

can make a difference in how much dual Kolb time you are likely to 

need.



Let us know how your Kolb dual time search goes.



Thom in Buffalo

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David.Lehman

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 265
Location: "Lovely" Fresno CA

Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: Kolb trainers/dealers!

Thom, nice article you did in the Sport Pilot magazine...



DVD

On 1/10/07, Thom Riddle <jtriddle(at)adelphia.net  (jtriddle(at)adelphia.net)> wrote:[quote]--> Kolb-List message posted by: Thom Riddle < jtriddle(at)adelphia.net (jtriddle(at)adelphia.net)>



Steve,



I know there are several Kolbs in western NY, just up the road a bit

from you, some of which are two-seaters. I do not know all of them but

Bob Bean, an active member on this list who flies a MkIII knows of most 

of the Kolbs in our area. He may or may not be able to help you out. I

know right now he is in Jupiter, FL for a week of R&R and off the list

while until he gets back. Find one of his past posts and send  him a 

direct email and see what he says.



Although I taught myself to fly an early Firestar I had many recent

hours in sorta-similar airplanes and have self-taught myself to fly

several, getting some stick time in a Kolb is a smart and safe 

approach. You did not mention what you have been flying recently. That

can make a difference in how much dual Kolb time you are likely to

need.



Let us know how your Kolb dual time search goes.



Thom in Buffalo 

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