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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:16 am    Post subject: New Start Reply with quote

"I wanted spacious, economical fast and aerobatic. All for under $10K. So, getting real, I set my priorities: safety, something I could accomplish, close to 200K (speed of my twin),"
Can we assume that you meant $100K (100 hundred thousand) and 200 knots. If ya'll have built an RV-8 for 10K...can you make me one too or show my how.
Lets see.....a 200k twin (200 hundred thousand)......well it's a twin but don't think even the SR-71 is that fast. Have great day. 8*) KABONG Do Not Archive this sorry attempt at a wee bit of humor.....
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:55 am    Post subject: New Start Reply with quote

Peck & other new starters

All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which 2024 sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in Van's Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded angle. Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is the purpose of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I do lightly prime it. The aluminum should have an inked identification numbers top help determine what the material is.

I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 & an RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have grown more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop and noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained proportionally more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning more fabrication. Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern kits can advise on this.

So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1" Scotchbrite wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery operated screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer, assorted files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun for priming. I also did use normal household tools most people already have but only marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With this I totally built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the RV8 tailkit in 130 hrs. over 2 months.

My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash in a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are readily available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer but I do have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way down on my future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to build an airplane, not to build a workshop even though a balance will needs to be struck here. Keep working as they fly just beautifully.

Dick DeCramer
RV6 N500DD 200hrs
RV8 wing kit
Northfield, MN


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:46 am    Post subject: New Start Reply with quote

Thanks Don.



Just bought a squeezer on EBay. Still need to add a couple dies to make
it functional. Seems to work great from what I can tell.



Gail



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Gail, I agree about the bandsaw. Never owned one before I started this
project, but I've used it a LOT. Cuts through aluminum like a hot knife
through butter! I'd hate to do this without my bandsaw ...



I used a pneumatic squeezer a bunch, too. Worth buying a new one?
Don't know. I bought mine used at Oshkosh and it's worked great.



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:48 am    Post subject: New Start Reply with quote

Great tips Dick. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience.

Gail peck

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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick DeCramer
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:55 AM
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[b]Peck & other new starters[/b]



[b]All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which 2024 sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in Van's Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded angle. Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is the purpose of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I do lightly prime it. The aluminum should have an inked identification numbers top help determine what the material is. [/b]



[b]I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 & an RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have grown more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop and noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained proportionally more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning more fabrication. Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern kits can advise on this.[/b]



[b]So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1" Scotchbrite wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery operated screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer, assorted files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun for priming. I also did use normal household tools most people already have but only marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With this I totally built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the RV8 tailkit in 130 hrs. over 2 months.[/b]



[b]My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash in a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are readily available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer but I do have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way down on my future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to build an airplane, not to build a workshop even though a balance will needs to be struck here. Keep working as they fly just beautifully.[/b]



[b]Dick DeCramer[/b]

[b]RV6 N500DD 200hrs[/b]

[b]RV8 wing kit[/b]

[b]Northfield[/b][b], MN[/b]



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: New Start Reply with quote

John, I'm slow but that would be 200 knots
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: New Start Reply with quote

I finished my RV-8 QB a little over a year ago and have been enjoying flying it ever since. One of the handiest things in my shop for making those small parts is a Sears bench mounted one inch belt sander. I used it to smooth edges, round corners etc. A 90 degree head drill was also useful at times. I have a 45 degree head drill and found it wasn't needed and hard to use at times. I didn't buy a pneumatic squeezer, but I think it would have been nice to have had although not a necessity. Primer on everything is good, especially on the non alclad material. I primed the entire inside of the horizontal and vertical stabilizers as well as the elevator and rudder. Pretty hard to inspect for corrosion in the future. (A common problem with the Swift for the same reason)
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: New Start Reply with quote

I primed mine before I riveted the piece together.  When they talk of protective coating I believe that they are referring to the alclad.  Anthing that isn't alclad should have a coat of primer to protect it.
On Jan 16, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD Training wrote:
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Thanks for the tip Stephanie. I have a band saw in my shop but haven’t used it yet on this project.
 
I am just getting started. Last night I fitted the reinforcement bars into one side of the stab main spar channel and started the match drill process with the #30 bits and then cleocoed the two parts together.
 
One question. The metal finishing instructions talk about applying primer to any AL piece that has the protective finish removed. Breaking the edges of the reinforcement and then finishing it with 400 grit sandpaper removes that protective coat. Did you guys primer those reinforcement bars before putting them in place?
 
Just curious. If anybody else has guidance, please chime in.
 
Gail peck
 
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Stephanie MarshallSent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:15 PMTo: rv8-list(at)matronics.com (rv8-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: RE: New Start

 
I just got off the phone with Baron (who is in the United Arab Emirates) and he wanted me to tell you BANDSAW!!! You don’t need an expensive one per say, just one that will cut metal.  The tin snips tend to deform the metal he said….we got our bandsaw at Home Depot for ~$100…I don’t remember the brand but it isn’t a fancy one.
 
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com)] On Behalf Of Peck Gaillard R Ctr USAFWS/CBD TrainingSent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:36 AMTo: rv8-list(at)matronics.com (rv8-list(at)matronics.com)Subject: New Start

 
Temp shop is organized, tooling is pretty much all set, inventory is complete!
 
Am about to start Step 1, “breaking” the edges for the HS main spar reinforcements.
 
Am really a new guy to this kind of thing and freely admit I know nothing! Any hot tips as I get started?
 
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:13 am    Post subject: New Start Reply with quote

I don’t aim to start another prime and/or corrosion war. One good reason I prime 2024 sheet is that it gives it good mechanical protection since the AL cladding is very soft. The mere act of looking at it will probably scratch it. What’s more, as soon as you start handling 2024 sheet, bending it, drilling into it, deburring it, you end up with lots of spots where the pure Al cladding has been removed. Hence to play it safe, I prime. Furthermore, there is a psychological element also. If and when you sell the airplane, It’s having been primed will most probably increase its resale value.

Michele
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From: owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dick DeCramer
Sent: mardi 16 janvier 2007 19:55
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
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[b]Peck & other new starters[/b]



[b]All 6061 aluminum should be primed as it has no alclad coating which 2024 sheet has so it will corrode easily. This should be mentioned in Van's Builders' Manual and in the kits it includes all bar and extruded angle. Some builders feel the alclad has sufficient protection which is the purpose of the clad so they do not prime the 2024 sheet, however, I do lightly prime it. The aluminum should have an inked identification numbers top help determine what the material is. [/b]



[b]I have a large bandsaw which was used extensively in building an RV4 & an RV6 but I hardly used them on an RV8 tailkit since the new kits have grown more sophisticated. Yesterday, I moved the wing kit into the shop and noticed some more cutting will be required as it contained proportionally more raw sheet & bar stock than the tailkit had meaning more fabrication. Perhaps the builders farther along on the more modern kits can advise on this.[/b]



[b]So far, I have used 6" Scotchbrite wheel on a benchgrinder, 1" Scotchbrite wheel on a diegrinder, drill, deburring tool in a battery operated screwdriver, 3X Rivet gun, bench sander, hand rivet squeezer, assorted files, tin snips, "c" frame rivet tool, and a touchup spray gun for priming. I also did use normal household tools most people already have but only marginally used the drill press & bandsaw to date. With this I totally built one aircraft in the past and totally completed the RV8 tailkit in 130 hrs. over 2 months.[/b]



[b]My advice. Just build tools you have until a need arises. Keep the cash in a slush fund then buy based on actual building problems as most are readily available. I still don't have a now popular pneumatic squeezer but I do have 2 right angle drills and still have the pneumatic unit way down on my future shopping list. Keep in mind your task is to build an airplane, not to build a workshop even though a balance will needs to be struck here. Keep working as they fly just beautifully.[/b]



[b]Dick DeCramer[/b]

[b]RV6 N500DD 200hrs[/b]

[b]RV8 wing kit[/b]

[b]Northfield[/b][b], MN[/b]



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:54 am    Post subject: New Start Reply with quote

Hi Bill,

We lived in Corvallis and went to Aurora 2 or 3 times....it isn't that
long of a drive.



I have to put in one plug though the DRDT-2 is worth it's weight in gold
IMO. (http://www.experimentalaero.com/DRDT-2.htm) it makes a much more
uniform hole and makes life SO MUCH BETTER!!!! We started out with the
good old standby the C-Frame, but we got the DRDT-2 a little while ago
and LOVE IT!!



Cheers

Steph



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[mailto:owner-rv8-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Prestin
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 8:12 AM
To: rv8-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: New Start



Hi Stephanie,



I just joined the list. Thinking about building an RV8.



I did a lot of work on the KC & EC-135's as a Com/Nav Specialist late
90's early 2000. I'm out in the civilian world now running Co-Gen power
plants. I bet Baron is flying a lot of hours with the current Iraq
situation. Hope it all goes well.



I'm hoping to check out Van's production facility when we head out to
Oregon for my wife's law school reunion next year. I wonder how close it
is to Eugene?



I gather from some of the group emails that it is good to have a small
metal cutting band saw, drill press, and belt/disc sander for the
project. Are there any other power tools that make the construction go
faster and smoother?



Thanks,



Bill

Michigan







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