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N1BZRich(at)aol.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: Flying off the hours

In a message dated 1/28/2007 1:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  pequeajim(at)gmail.com writes:

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		  So, from    Green Landings, I could request that the center of my test area be,

say    Gettysburg, (about 40nm from GL and 40+nm from Lancaster).  That    would

make it work.

	


 

 Jim,

     It all depends.  Will  the FAA inspector or DAR in that area approve that type of operation?  Some  builders in other parts of the US even have a hard time getting a 50 mile radius  approved for their designated test area - once again it depends on the  local FAA / DAR that you are working with.  Just like different DARs charge  different amounts to do the inspection, some have different thoughts on what  they are comfortable approving or not.  So, it all depends.  Check  with the Doug and the guys in WV to see how their FAA and/or DAR think about  approving the type of operation you are talking about.  

 Buz

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Kayberg(at)AOL.COM
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: Flying off the hours

Jim,

  

 We have two different DAR's that we work with, one is just cheaper than the  other!!!

  

 One favors using a more uninhabited center point (Cumberland, MD) and the  other (more expensive) will be more liberal.  But I dont think it would be  a problem with either.  There will be some strong lectures about avoiding  Camp David but that should be about it.   

  

 Ryan would be the one to arrange that.

  

 I dont know what your pilot skills are like, but as long as you will pay  for the gas, Ryan will help get the first 5 hours or so on it. We like to  fly in the morning before work, take a flying break a bit later,   then fly if someone else is flying and then once more before sundown.  If  there is some rush, all three of us can fly off the time in short order.   We had few issues of significance with our first one; I would not expect any  problems with yours.

  

 However, any homebuilt requires significant "tweaking" during the first 5-  10 hours.  Some "tweaks" can be quite frustrating to tackle on your  own.  By the time you get 40 hours, only the "tweaks" you can live with  remain.

  

 Doug Koenigsberg

  

 In a message dated 1/28/2007 5:04:11 PM Eastern Standard Time,  N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:

 [quote]      In a message dated 1/28/2007 1:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,    pequeajim(at)gmail.com writes:

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		  So,      from Green Landings, I could request that the center of my test area      be,

say Gettysburg, (about 40nm from GL and 40+nm from Lancaster).       That would

make it work.

	


   

   Jim,

       It all depends.  Will    the FAA inspector or DAR in that area approve that type of operation?     Some builders in other parts of the US even have a hard time getting a 50 mile    radius approved for their designated test area - once again it depends on    the local FAA / DAR that you are working with.  Just like different DARs    charge different amounts to do the inspection, some have different thoughts on    what they are comfortable approving or not.  So, it all depends.     Check with the Doug and the guys in WV to see how their FAA and/or DAR think    about approving the type of operation you are talking about.     

   Buz

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pequeajim

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Location: New Holland, PA

Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: Flying off the hours

Thanks Doug:  

   

If this all goes down, what I thought I would do is have Ryan do the initial flights to verify the construction and setup of the aircraft against the previous ones that you guys have put together, and then we follow a methodical test plan for flying off the next chunk of hours to fine tune the setup and determine the performance to fill in the flight manual.  I would think that we would determine the best way to handle this at the time.  I can stay down there and burn some of the hours with this and of course transitioning myself to a point where I feel comfortable with the aircraft.  The key point is being down there in the beginning to utilize your expertise.  Right now, I am a low time pilot with over 120 hours, but am building this time each week.  Navigation around Camp David is not a problem.  After some agreed upon amount of hours on the aircraft, I would like to get it up to KLNS to fly off the remaining time locally.  Lancaster, (KLNS), is in the same town as where I work, so it is easy to get some time in every day.  

   

Jim!  

         

  

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Jim,  

    

   

    

We have two different DAR's that we work with, one is just cheaper than the other!!!  

    

   

    

One favors using a more uninhabited center point (Cumberland, MD) and the other (more expensive) will be more liberal.  But I dont think it would be a problem with either.  There will be some strong lectures about avoiding Camp  David but that should be about it.     

    

   

    

Ryan would be the one to arrange that.  

    

   

    

I dont know what your pilot skills are like, but as long as you will pay for the gas, Ryan will help get the first 5 hours or so on it. We like to fly in the morning before work, take a flying break a bit later,  then fly if someone else is flying and then once more before sundown.  If there is some rush, all three of us can fly off the time in short order.  We had few issues of significance with our first one; I would not expect any problems with yours.  

    

   

    

However, any homebuilt requires significant "tweaking" during the first 5- 10 hours.  Some "tweaks" can be quite frustrating to tackle on your own.  By the time you get 40 hours, only the "tweaks" you can live with remain.  

    

   

    

Doug Koenigsberg  

    

   

    

In a message dated 1/28/2007 5:04:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, N1BZRich(at)aol.com writes:  

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In a message dated 1/28/2007 1:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pequeajim(at)gmail.com writes:  

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So, from Green Landings, I could request that the center of my test area be,

 say Gettysburg, (about 40nm from GL and 40+nm from Lancaster).  That would

 make it work.  	
  

    

Jim,  

    

    [b]It all depends[/b].  Will the FAA inspector or DAR in that area approve that type of operation?  Some builders in other parts of the US even have a hard time getting a 50 mile radius approved for their designated test area - once again it depends on the local FAA / DAR that you are working with.  Just like different DARs charge different amounts to do the inspection, some have different thoughts on what they are comfortable approving or not.  So, it all depends.  Check with the Doug and the guys in WV to see how their FAA and/or DAR think about approving the type of operation you are talking about.    

    

Buz  

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pjdisher(at)bigpond.com
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Posted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 3:57 pm Post subject: Flying off the hours

Hi Buz,

  

 Many Thanks for all your imfo. It's been greatly appreciated, I can  certainly understand your approach in what your saying.

 Yes, got your info. from steve.

  

 Thanks again,

  

 Pete Disher Y SYD 

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