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Arty Trost
Joined: 25 May 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Sandy, Oregon
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 Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:16 pm Post subject: Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route |
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Hi Kolbers,
Larry & Karen Cottrell and I are planning a mammoth
(for us) flight from Oregon to San Antonio, Texas,
returning via MV for the Kolb disorganized fly-in.
I've had lots of good advice re: the route, but
there's one portion that I'd like suggestions about.
Basically, I'm considering flying south from Larry's
(Rome, OR) to hit I-10 and then follow I-10 east to
San Antonio. I've got lots of advice about airstrips
along I-10, getting around Tuscon and El Paso, etc. I
also have good advice from Kolbers who have flown from
the El Paso area to MV, and plan to follow their
suggestions. I've flown back to Oregon twice from MV,
so have that "down pat."
My question is about getting from Winnemucca to I-10 -
maybe around Blythe, CA. Here's what I'm thinking so
far:
I'll be flying from my home base in northwestern
Oregon to Larry's place near Rome, OR. We'll fly south
following Hwy. 95 to Winnemucca, NV then east to
Battle Mountain and then south via Hwy. 305 to Austin
(A36), NV and pick up Hwy 376 south to Toponah (TPH),
NV.
We'd pick up Hwy. 95 at Goldfield, NV and go south to
Beatty (BTY) NV, Any suggestions on getting from
Beatty down to Blythe? Anyone flown this route?
Or - if you think there's a better way instead of
heading south from Winnemucca - speak up!
As you can tell, I'm trying to follow roads as much as
possible, both for safety and since Karen will be
following us in their truck. (Of course, depending on
wind we may be following her!) I'm not sure if I'll
have my endorsement to fly into Class B & C airspace
by then - so am planning to fly around that.
We'd prefer NOT to go to Texas via MV - we want to
make a loop and come back via MV.
So...I'd appreciate any suggestions about this portion
of our route.
Thanks in advance,
Arty Trost
Sandy, Oregon
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route |
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Arty,
I just flew my Cessna 172 in December from near Sacramento to St. George,
Utah, which is fairly close to Monument Valley. I realize you are planning
a little different route than I flew, but I believe I have a few pointers
that you will want to know. ( e.g. MOA's, Restricted airspace, flight
following, etc) Mike in Utah 435-817-1816
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John Hauck
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route |
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Arty:
If I was flying a two stroke, I would stay on 95 all the way to
Blythe. You can stay clear of Las Vegas control zone.
Generally, that is the way I would fly my mkIII if I was going the
same destination.
I have flown I-10. Should be a good flight to El Paso and San
Antonio.
See ya'll in May.
john h
mkIII
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Arty Trost
Joined: 25 May 2006
Posts: 206
Location: Sandy, Oregon
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:25 pm Post subject: Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route |
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Thanks John. Since Hwy. 95 goes slightly west from
Winnemucca, in the past I've flown east past Battle
Mountain and turn south at Palisade. You follow a
nice long, wide valley with a non-busy landable road
as well as plenty of dirt and gravel roads. I just
haven't been as far south as Blythe - so will talk
with Larry about flying south via Austin and Topenah
and picking up Hwy. 95 there to Blythe. I think I was
a little nervous about staying out of Las Vegas'
control zone if we took Hwy. 95 - so it's good to hear
from you that it's doable.
See you in May at MV!!!
Arty
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Arty:
If I was flying a two stroke, I would stay on 95 all
the way to
Blythe. You can stay clear of Las Vegas control
zone.
Generally, that is the way I would fly my mkIII if I
was going the
same destination.
I have flown I-10. Should be a good flight to El
Paso and San
Antonio.
See ya'll in May.
john h
mkIII
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Roger Lee
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1464
Location: Tucson, Az.
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| Posted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route |
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Hi Arty,
I am flying that route from Tucson to San Fransisco area this week for a Rotax 912 class in San Leandro. In May I will be flying up to the Portland, Or. area just before the MV Fly-In. Give me a call and I can keep you in better climate (less heat), out of restricted and MOA areas. It will give you more options for airports verses the bare I-95, NV. route and less Mountains to fly over. I can tell you about Tucson and El Paso, you don't have to go around. I can give you some good fueling options, too. I have just flown the lower Texas route in December. I can let you know what it is like to fly from Tucson to MV if you want to know. Give me a call.
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az
520-574-1080 home
520-791-5286 work
I'm at work today, Sat. the 10th. and Mon. the 12th. for 24 hrs. I'm a fireman.
I'll be at home Sunday and Tuesday. I leave for California Wed.
Any way you go will be fun!
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JetPilot
Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1246
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route |
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You can fly through an MOA, its legal, and I have never even seen military traffic while in an MOA. The risk is almost zero. You probably run a higher risk trying to take a longer route around an MOA instead of just going the best way through it.
Be safe, but if you try to be ultra careful, you usually end up making bad choices which can be much more dangerous than what you were trying to aviod in the first place.
John Hauck does lots of cross country, do you go through MOA's John ?
Mike Bigelow
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John Hauck
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:59 am Post subject: Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route |
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Mike B:
Yes, I fly through MOA's.
If you have not seen military traffic in an MOA you probably haven't
been flying down low where most of us Kolbers fly. Not a good feeling
seeing two F-4's coming straight at you at 500 feet AGL, while flying
an Ultrastar. Push the stick and head for the trees. I think most of
the time we don't see the military traffic although it is there. That
is worst case senario.
You can always check with nearest FSS. Give them a call and find out
what the situation is.
john h
mkIII
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jim
Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Posts: 107
Location: N. Idaho
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:27 am Post subject: Seeking feedback on Oregon-Texas-MV route |
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It is perfectly legal and acceptable to fly into a MOA without talking to
anybody. Within MOAs, military and other traffic have equal requirement
for traffic separation. That said, I would be extra vigilant, especially
M-F during working hours (7am-5pm) as MOAs are used for ACM (dog fighting)
and other training that can quickly result in large changes of altitude
and direction.
Military operations in MOAs I was familiar with were all above 10,000 MSL,
but I wouldn't count on that. Speeds below 10000MSL should be <250KIAS
unless on a published low level route (IR or VR).
Jim
N. Idaho
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You can fly through an MOA, its legal, and I have never even seen military
traffic while in an MOA. The risk is almost zero. You probably run a
higher risk trying to take a longer route around an MOA instead of just
going the best way through it.
Be safe, but if you try to be ultra careful, you usually end up making bad
choices which can be much more dangerous than what you were trying to
aviod in the first place.
John Hauck does lots of cross country, do you go through MOA's John ?
Mike Bigelow
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