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Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.
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 Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:35 pm Post subject: Kolbs in the Wind |
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Hauck writes: << Every Kolber should experience flying in those
conditions, at least once. The best feeling in the world is getting
back on the ground successfully. Then you have to figure out how to get
out of the aircraft and get it tied down before you get blown away. >>
This happened to me on a flight a month ago:
The wind was only about 15 mph, and right down the runway ... well
within my personal limits for flying my Mark-III that day. So I went
flying.
At 1000 feet AGL, I throttled back to 50 mph indicated, and realized
that I was NOT moving with respect to the ground! Sat there looking
straight down at the same house for ten minutes - this was fun. And the
wind was smooth and steady - no gusts or turbulence. The airplane felt
like it was just flying on a normal day ... except going nowhere.
Landing was a hoot. I positioned myself at 1000' directly over the
center of the runway, and began descending vertically, like an elevator.
Only when I got to within 200 feet of the surface did I finally begin
moving forward again. The landing was uneventful, and ground handling
was not a problem in the 15 mph surface wind.
Apparently, the boundary layer at the earth's surface over my airport
that day caused by the moving atmosphere had a pretty steep gradient,
ranging from very little at the surface (15 mph) to very strong wind (50
mph) at altitude. Since I was all by myself, I was lucky to not have to
deal with horrendous ground winds when putting my airplane away that
day.
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, NM
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ul15rhb(at)juno.com
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: Kolbs in the Wind |
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One day I flew on a day where the upper level winds were heavy. It
took a half hour to fly six miles (12 mph). My airspeed was 60 mph,
so that would be a 48 mph wind at 1700' agl. I wanted to play with
the wind that day, so I throttled back to 35 mph and flew backwards
for a few miles. I had my GPS long and could watch it adding miles to
my destination and could see a water tower, that I was heading
toward, getting further away. It must have been odd for someone on
the ground to see a plane fly backwards. Even odder was flying
crosswind. I was looking out the right side and tracking that way.
The winds on the surface were about 25 mph and I had planned out the
landing straight into the wind in a field adjacent to the grass
runway. I got down fine and could almost get out and walk faster.
Ralph Burlingame
Original Firestar
20 years flying it
-- "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil> wrote:
<Dennis.Kirby(at)kirtland.af.mil>
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Hauck writes: << Every Kolber should experience flying in those
conditions, at least once. The best feeling in the world is getting
back on the ground successfully. Then you have to figure out how to
get
out of the aircraft and get it tied down before you get blown away. >>
This happened to me on a flight a month ago:
The wind was only about 15 mph, and right down the runway ... well
within my personal limits for flying my Mark-III that day. So I went
flying.
At 1000 feet AGL, I throttled back to 50 mph indicated, and realized
that I was NOT moving with respect to the ground! Sat there looking
straight down at the same house for ten minutes - this was fun. And
the
wind was smooth and steady - no gusts or turbulence. The airplane
felt
like it was just flying on a normal day ... except going nowhere.
Landing was a hoot. I positioned myself at 1000' directly over the
center of the runway, and began descending vertically, like an
elevator.
Only when I got to within 200 feet of the surface did I finally begin
moving forward again. The landing was uneventful, and ground handling
was not a problem in the 15 mph surface wind.
Apparently, the boundary layer at the earth's surface over my airport
that day caused by the moving atmosphere had a pretty steep gradient,
ranging from very little at the surface (15 mph) to very strong wind
(50
mph) at altitude. Since I was all by myself, I was lucky to not have
to
deal with horrendous ground winds when putting my airplane away that
day.
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, NM
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d-m-hague(at)comcast.net
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 2:16 pm Post subject: Kolbs in the Wind |
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At 02:20 PM 2/28/2007, knowvne(at)AOL.COM wrote:
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As a 20 year Vet of HangGliding we pilots experience this sort of head
wind all the time ...
A lesser performing glider or a Paraglider would have been in deep do do...
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Hah! Try it in a PPG sometime... more than once I've made flights without
ever turning Take off into the wind, fly forward low in the boundary
layer, climb until I'm going backwards, drift back, then descend again into
the slower air to land at the takeoff point.
Of course the downside is that the scenery gets boring pretty quick.
Flew backwards a few times in the T-Craft too, but that was on the edge of
stall at 8000' or more...
-Dana
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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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| Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: Kolbs in the Wind |
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more than once I've made flights without ever turning >>
Hi Dana
I have done it in a glider. Winch launch to around 1100 feet and then just
drop the cable and sit there and drift gently backwards. Get back beyond the
launch point and then put the nose down and land at the take off point. Fun.
Done it once in an autogyro too. We flew slower and slower until the ground
began to move forward. Strange feeling. Then the pilot said `I expect you
are wondering what would happen if the engine stopped now` and cut the
switch. We dropped the nose and autorotated straight down and landed gently
on the numbers. Quite exciting.
Cheers
Pat
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