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alan(at)kestrel-insurance
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 Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: Life is so unfair! |
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Thanks Graham
I'll take a look
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alan(at)kestrel-insurance
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: Life is so unfair! |
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I aint smiling until I know what went wrong and I get it back, until then
..........Gone Fishing ..............
Alan
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mau11(at)free.fr
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 12:23 am Post subject: Life is so unfair! |
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Hello Graham,
Do you have available pictures and documents opf your tailwheel modification
and price.
This is for friend of me he build a monowheel.
Thanks
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server(at)matronics.com]De la part de Graham
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Envoyé : mardi 20 mars 2007 22:45
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Objet : Re: RE: Life is so unfair!
<grahamsingleton(at)btinternet.com>
Alan
reminds me, I have seen the screws on the inspection panels rubbing on
the tank, take a while to wear thu but could be a cause.
Graham
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Hi Alan,
What a bummer, mine also leaked about 4 weeks B4 the flight test, it
turned out to be where the two FPA903B screw into the two F09C at the tank
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outlets (i originally fitted them "clean"), i'd be interested to know your
source of the leak and the fix,
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hurstkr(at)redzone.com.au
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: Life is so unfair! |
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Hello again Alan, Australia calling!
Sorry for the delay in replying but have been out of circulation for two
days.
My previous statement that my friend took his tank out was incorrect. (He
was told to take the tank out but didn't)
The problem with his tank was that a split about 3/8" long developed (for no
apparent reason) about half way down the back of the tank close to the
centreline. On reading your recent posts, I note your problem is much lower
than this so the following may not be very relevant.
Anyway, trying to be brief which is hard for me, I will endeavour to explain
the repair process he carried out.
He cut a 9" x 6" hole in the cockpit module between the head rests and then
cut the same sized hole in the top of the tank. This allowed access to find
where the leak was. The split was at the level of the remaining fuel so was
easy to find.
He then cut another hole in the back of the cockpit module to allow access
to the split and drilled 1/8" holes at each end of the split. Using a 1/16"
bit, he ran it along the split opening it up to allow the introduction of
Redux / flox mixture.
Two 3mm aluminium plates were made up 2" longer than the split and 1" wide.
Two clearance holes were drilled in the outer plate and the matching holes
on the inner plate were tapped to accept screws. (not sure of size) These
holes were put about 1/2" beyond each end of the split. The plates were
then curved slightly lengthways.
Both sides of the tank around the split were roughened with 60 grit paper
and a fairly generous Redux / flox mixture applied to the concave sides of
each plate after which they were screwed together ensuring no voids and that
excess oozed out all around both sides. Excess was then wiped off of
course.
TESTING
He also glued pieces of plate to the piece removed from the top of the tank.
One to a shiny part and one to a roughened part. Both stuck well but on
bending each after cure, the plate on the shiny part popped off. He
couldn't remove the one glued to the roughened part.
The top of the tank was then repaired thus :-
Made up two aluminium plates with a 15mm overlap all around and removed the
middle of one of them leaving only 15 mm around the outer edge to make a
flange for the inside.
Holes were drilled every 2" for AN3 bolts as per the repair plates and the
two pieces bolted together using a cork gasket (cut as per the inner flange)
under the upper plate.
This repair was done quite some time ago now and so far has been 100%
successful.
I hope yours requires less surgery than that I just attempted to describe.
Cheers and good luck with yours.
Kingsley - Masochists read on
PS - a bit of trivia.
On Saturday 7th April, QANTAS (Australia's International Airline) will be
flying the first Boeing 707 they owned into Longreach (Central Western
Queensland) to its final resting place and to form part of the QANTAS museum
in Longreach. [QANTAS, an acromym for Queensland And Northern Territory
Aerial Services, was originally formed in Winton (100nm from Longreach) in
the days of Avros and operated out of Longreach] I understand this was the
first B707 entered into airline service in the world. It will join a B747
200 that was also flown in a few years ago after it was stripped of
everything possible and with minimum fuel on board to make it light enough
to land on the short strip. I was not there to witness the B747 landing but
the fascination for we aviators is watching such a large aircraft land on a
runway that has rarely seen aircraft any bigger than a Fokker Friendship.
Turning these aircraft around on the end of the runway is a mammoth task as
there are no parallel taxiways etc, it will have to turn and backtrack and
the wing span is greater than the width of the runway.
Such a rare sight is this, that my friend whos problem I described above,
hopes to pick me up and then for us both to fly up to Longreach in his
Europa to see the landing of the 707. He has to travel 250nm to pick me up
and then we have a 350nm leg from my place to Longreach. For the
information of all Pommy and European Europaphiles, we will not see a single
town on the track from my place to Longreach. If the weather is true to
form for this part of the world, I'll bet we don't see any clouds on the
whole trip either. (I shouldn't have said that - Murphy might read this!)
As I said, a bit of trivia so please forgive me for my indulgence but I
haven't been on a descent cross country in a Europa before so I am really
looking forward to it.
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grahamsingleton(at)btinte
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| Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:57 am Post subject: Life is so unfair! |
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Let us know how it goes, Kingsley. You might try and get a pik of a
Europa in front of an gray haired 707!
I have one of my Long EZ in front of Concorde, (with a few gray hairs)
Graham
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Hello again Alan, Australia calling!
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Such a rare sight is this, that my friend whos problem I described
above, hopes to pick me up and then for us both to fly up to Longreach
in his Europa to see the landing of the 707.
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TELEDYNMCS(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: Life is so unfair! |
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Hey Alan,
My first tank came from the factory with a flaw in it. The tanks, as I was told, are rotomolded. What look like seams on the tank are actually molding lines. Mine had a molding flaw, likely caused by not enough material being put into the mold at the time the tank was cast, and that caused a hole in it that was about the size of the end of your little finger. The hole was hard to see because it was covered over with a paper thin layer of plastic. I would have never noticed it except for the fact that I pressure tested the tank with air after I drilled out the boss's in a combined effort to clean out the plastic swarf and put a little pressure on the tank to see what would happen. The slight pressure I put on the tank must have blown out the thin latyer and I got a little puff of air from a direction I wasn't expecting, then I noticed the hole.
Europa promptly replaced the tank at no charge, but had I not noticed it prior to bonding in the cockpit module I think I'd have been one unhappy camper! At the time, circa 2003 or so, Andy told me there had been 2 others prior to mine found with similar holes.
Anyway, hope you find your problem and it's something simple to fix.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap,TN (TN89)
Jabiropa N245E - Flying - 95.6 hours
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alan(at)kestrel-insurance
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| Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: Life is so unfair! |
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Thanks John
The aircraft is presently with Bob and I am awaiting his findings. At that time we will know more.
Cheers for now
Alan
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Subject: Life is so unfair!
Hey Alan,
My first tank came from the factory with a flaw in it. The tanks, as I was told, are rotomolded. What look like seams on the tank are actually molding lines. Mine had a molding flaw, likely caused by not enough material being put into the mold at the time the tank was cast, and that caused a hole in it that was about the size of the end of your little finger. The hole was hard to see because it was covered over with a paper thin layer of plastic. I would have never noticed it except for the fact that I pressure tested the tank with air after I drilled out the boss's in a combined effort to clean out the plastic swarf and put a little pressure on the tank to see what would happen. The slight pressure I put on the tank must have blown out the thin latyer and I got a little puff of air from a direction I wasn't expecting, then I noticed the hole.
Europa promptly replaced the tank at no charge, but had I not noticed it prior to bonding in the cockpit module I think I'd have been one unhappy camper! At the time, circa 2003 or so, Andy told me there had been 2 others prior to mine found with similar holes.
Anyway, hope you find your problem and it's something simple to fix.
Regards,
John Lawton
Dunlap,TN (TN89)
Jabiropa N245E - Flying - 95.6 hours
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hurstkr(at)redzone.com.au
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| Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: Life is so unfair! |
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Let us know how it goes, Kingsley. You might try and get a pik of a Europa
in front of an gray haired 707!
I have one of my Long EZ in front of Concorde, (with a few gray hairs)
Graham
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Gidday G,
The Longreach trip is not a fait accompli yet but looking fairly likely at
this stage.
Maybe I'll just get a photo of yours truly in front of the 707 and then you
will see nothing BUT GREY HAIR !
Expect to hear from me soon directly ole pal.
Kingsley
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