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jsflyrv

Joined: 03 Jan 2006
Posts: 22

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 5:46 pm Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were 

pretty useless messages.



Jerry

Bruce(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:02 pm Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

Yours should have!



Bruce

www.glasair.org

 

Do not archive.



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jsflyrv

Joined: 03 Jan 2006
Posts: 22

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

Actually Bruce mine dose have, read the message again 

do not archive



Jerry



Bruce Gray wrote:



[quote]



Yours should have!



Bruce

www.glasair.org

 

Do not archive.



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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

 	  jsflyrv wrote: 	
		  Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were 

pretty useless messages.



Jerry 	




And just who defines exactly what a useless message is?

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Milt

webmaster(at)flion.com
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:49 pm Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

It did.  However, my two copper fuse jumpers worth, I am not a fan of the

overuse of this list feature.  Sure, in this instance and the quoted

messages, it is entirely appropriate.  But too often useful stuff gets

wiped. When is an archive not an archive?  When it is incomplete.  Believe

you me, I don't browse the archive, I search it.  And I am capable of

searching it and weeding out the noise efficiently enough to keep it useful.

But all the searching in the world can't find useful information that was

omitted due to DNA.  While it is polite to keep off-topic stuff out of the

archive, please try to leave potentially relevant material in.  This

includes 'dumb' questions; some of them turn out to be not so dumb after all

- they may be important even.



Pat Kelley - RV-6A - Passenger seat back in fabrication



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jhstarn(at)verizon.net
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

His did....D.N.A. in ANY part of the post, present & past that exist within 

the recent post is still in effect. This one now has a total of four of 

them.  8*)  KABONG

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Bruce(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

OK, sorry for my snip.



Bruce

www.glasair.org

 



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Mark Phillips in TN

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 431
Location: Columbia, TN

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:02 pm Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

Hey Bruce- it DID!



Mark and a big old do not archive just in case!  



THANKS JERRY!  Good to know I'm not the only one this bugs the hell out of...

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Mark Phillips in TN

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 431
Location: Columbia, TN

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

In a message dated 02/02/2006 8:52:36 PM Central Standard Time, 

webmaster(at)flion.com writes:

But too often useful stuff gets

wiped. When is an archive not an archive?  When it is incomplete.  Believe

you me, I don't browse the archive, I search it. 

 	  Quote: 	
		  >>


	


Most respectfully, Pat, but as Ruth Harrison, the reference librarian on 

Prarie Home Companion recently opined regarding the Mother-Of-All-Search-Engines- 

Google: "Googling is like fishing for trout in a landfill" and the same 

applies to any searchable database, Matts archives not excepted.  As a long-time 

lister who has spent an oppresive amount of time hunting for those great and 

useful RV gems of wisdom, I have often leaned toward postal behavior whilst 

playing list archeologist...



(sigh)



Mark Phillips AND A GREAT BIG 'OL DEW KNOT ARKYVE, Y'all

(it's in the title, dontchaknow.......)

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jsflyrv

Joined: 03 Jan 2006
Posts: 22

Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

N395V wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

jsflyrv wrote:

>Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were 

>pretty useless messages.

>

>Jerry

>    

>

And just who defines exactly what a useless message is?   [Rolling Eyes]

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Milt

N395V

F1 Rocket

Ok you win Milt must be the "rolling eyes" that did it.  Fine if you 

guys don't care about the archives I guess then

I don't either. If you can't tell which messages are useful and which 

ones are not then I certainly will not try to

nudge people to use the do not archive feature in the future, carry on. 

Just for the record here is an example of a useless

message IMO. That was the  complete message in reply to another post. I 

am not picking "BPA engines" I just think

that sometimes people forget to use it, I know I have in the past.

"Tell him where you got the engine Ross"

I will end it here so as not to continue to add to the useless posts

which apparently from the response I am getting it was. 

Jerry

jeffpoint

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 72
Location: MKE

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:45 am Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

Hey Bruce, have I found a group for you!



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RV_Killers/



Jeff Point

RV6

Milwaukee

Oh, almost forgot, do not archive

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Jeff Point
RV-6
Milwaukee WI

sears(at)searnet.com
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:00 am Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

 	  Quote: 	
		  > Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE.

> Some of them were pretty useless messages.

 >

 > Jerry



 And just who defines exactly what a useless message is?   [Rolling Eyes]



 Milt


	


Milt, I didn't want to chime in and add more useless chatter; but; I can't

help myself.  Matt just posted the guidelines to this list's usage.  I'm

sure he did it because of the discussion over the last few days.  If your

messages don't comply with those guidelines, they're useless messages.  I

don't want to seem harsh; but, your message fell into that category.  Many

of us who've been on this list for a very long time prefer that this list be

used as a help desk, so to speak.  While you guys were wasting the bandwidth

on useless discussions, I've been answering RV-list questions offline so the

requestors wouldn't miss the answers in the clutter.  Let's get back to

using this list as a technical help tool, with very little useless chatter,

so that requestors can get help with their projects.  There are other lists

you can go to for chatter.  Maybe the F1 Rocket guys have one?



Jim Sears in KY (making waves again)

do not archive

Bruce(at)glasair.org
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

Who would want to kill an RV, they're nice airplanes. It's just that some of

their builders on occasion lack tact.



Bruce

www.glasair.org

 



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ronlee(at)pcisys.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:30 am Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

 	  Quote: 	
		   >>Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were

 >>pretty useless messages.



 >And just who defines exactly what a useless message is?   [Rolling Eyes]


	


Actually Jerry a periodic reminder is good.  I also try to use the

"Do not archive" note but sometimes forget when making a non-archive worthy

post.



Ron Lee



Do nor archive

PFolbrecht(at)starkinvest
Guest

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 7:08 am Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

And a public 'thank you' to you, Jim, for the time you took yesterday to

answer my question (offline).



This list is an absolutely wonderful resource, probably especially for

us newer builders, considering the very limited hours of Van's tech

support.



(I ended up with "only" two questions during construction of my entire

9A HS, but I feel much wiser now thanks to what I've learned here.  And,

unfortunately, it's very true that it's often simply not possible to

find what you're looking for in the archives, or not in a reasonable

time anyway).



Paul



(sez 'do not archive' at the end and now again here)



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pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:23 am Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

OK, I confess.  I use "do not archive" a lot.  I use a few simple rules 

for myself:

1. Is it specifically relevant to the list?  Doesn't matter which list. 

 If not, DNA.

2. Is it from my own experience?  It could be an isolated incident.  If 

yes, DNA

3. Is it my opinion?  I have been known to be wrong.  I hate to to 

spread false info.  That could be dangerous.  If yes, DNA.

I kinda enjoy the "dna" food fight, though.

Linn

Ron Lee wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

>>>Many of the messages today do not have DO NOT ARCHIVE. Some of them were

>>>pretty useless messages.

>>>        

>>>

>>And just who defines exactly what a useless message is?   [Rolling Eyes]

>>      

>>

Actually Jerry a periodic reminder is good.  I also try to use the

"Do not archive" note but sometimes forget when making a non-archive worthy

post.

Ron Lee

Do nor archive

klwerner(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 9:38 am Post subject: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

If the author thinks it's necessary to put a  "do not archive"  in his message, then it is because he want's to do so for his writings !!!



But that does not prevent any reader from removing the  "do not archive"  as well as re-posting the message and therefore have it in the archives forever, regardless of- /or sidestepping of the wishes of the writer!



DO NOT ARCHIVE  this thought of mine, as I certainly do no wish to have this note stored forever.

n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

Jim,



I am at a loss as to where to start  



 	  Quote: 	
		  I don't want to seem harsh; but, your message fell into that category. 	


Please do not worry I do not live in fear of you being harsh nor does the thought cause me to lose sleep.



 	  Quote: 	
		  Matt just posted the guidelines to this list's usage. I'm 

sure he did it because of the discussion over the last few days. If your 

messages don't comply with those guidelines, they're useless messages. 

	




Did Matt tell you this? Seems he ,on a routine basis re posts the guidelines and FAQs. I suspect it is your opinion that this is his reason for posting them now.



I have reviewed the guidelines and FAQs in detail and nowhere does it define "useless posts". Once again you seem to be asserting an opinion.



In fact the guidelines state the following....



 	  Quote: 	
		  to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie 

among its members; 

	




This suggests that content other than purely technical jargon is not only acceptable but encouraged.



Now I also note two contradictory items.....



 	  Quote: 	
		  Ask yourself if your post will be 

relevant to everyone

	


and

 	  Quote: 	
		  that is relevant and has a broad appeal 	




Now perhaps the contradictory nature of these statements is why they are called GUIDELINES and not RULES AND REGULATIONS.



Another item in the guidelines that hardly fits the "relevent to everyone " guideline is...  continued in post below............................



Do not archive

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Milt

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n395v

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 450

Posted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

Continued from my post to Jim above



 	  Quote: 	
		  Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly 

subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by 

List members promoting their respective products or items for sale 

should be of a friendly, informal nature, 	




Now as to your time honored comments of all forum police that appear to exist on all forums.................

 	  Quote: 	
		  Many of us who've been on this list for a very long time prefer that this list be…

There are other lists you can go to for chatter. Maybe the F1 Rocket guys have one? 

	




There are always those who think "I was here before you so you are less than me. That just aint so.



And of course the invitation to go elsewhere. Well I ain't goin. This forum  forum provides a wealth of info relevant to my derivative of an RV and I shall for my benefitcontinue to peruse it,  and contribute where I think I have the ability.  As I do in the Rocket forum.



I will leave you with one of the guidelines yo originally referred me to.



  	  Quote: 	
		  At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very 

small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive 

it. 	




This to me invites posts that you as an individual consider useless but others would consider "fostering felowship and camaderie" and leaves to the poster the option of archiving or not.



I did not note anywhere in the guidelines the appointment of a forum police force.



I do wish to seem harsh and consider your response useless and lacking in any contribution to camaraderie as outlined in the guidelines you have referred me to.



If you do not like what is posted you have the option of scrolling past or deleting our posts, or complain to Matt and if he feels the spirit or letter of the guidlines are being violated he can ban me or anyone from the lists. Or you can e mail me directly if you wish to be "harsh", I have a thick skin. Come on up to the Rocket list, you may find something useful. 



and of course in the spirit of the thread Do Not Archive

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Milt

Rick Galati

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 91
Location: Lake St. Louis MO.

Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: Re: DO NOT ARCHIVE!!!!!

To the last, ALL you guys seem quite willing to express personal opinion relative to the debate de jour....DO NOT ARCHIVE.   However, nowhere in all these articulate posts do I witness a single photograph of ANY sender.  Come one fellas!   Welcome to the visual age. Lets put some real faces to these names and those personas who choose the path of conveniently cryptic "N" number anonymity.  Matt went to considerable trouble to make this capability possible.  Show him and your rapt audience an uncommon appreciation by including your personal avatar tagged to a freely offered post.   



Rick Galati  RV-6A  "Darla"

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