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alaskajim(at)cox.net
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:52 pm Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

I'm in the process of wiring my flap motor for my 701.  I have a 12V 

Warner Linear Actuator with only 2 wires.  The actuator will reverse 

it's direction when I switch the 2 leads on my battery +/- terminals.  

My question;  is there a "rocker" type switch that will work for this 

installation and how is it wired?   Thanks in advance for any help.  Jim

NYTerminat(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:24 pm Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

Jim,

  

 You can use a double pole double throw switch. Make sure it is  appropriately rated for your flap motor or you can do it with two relays and a  single pole double throw switch. Check out AeroElectric's website.

  

 Bob Spudis

  

  

  

  

  

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		  I'm in    the process of wiring my flap motor for my 701.  I have a 12V 

Warner    Linear Actuator with only 2 wires.  The actuator will reverse 

it's    direction when I switch the 2 leads on my battery +/- terminals.  

My    question;  is there a "rocker" type switch that will work for this    

installation and how is it wired?   Thanks in advance for any    help.  Jim



	
 

  



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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:32 pm Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

If you really want a rocker switch (as opposed to a toggle) then use the Ray

Allen RS2-5 (not the plain RS2). The RS2-5 is rated for 5 amps while the RS2

is only rated for 1 amp. It costs you $26 but they will throw in the label

for free.



Switch: www.rayallencompany.com/products/switches.html



Labels: half way down on www.rayallencompany.com/products/indsens.html



For a mere $15 you can get a quality DPDT toggle switch here (look for

S700-2-7):



www.bandc.biz/cgi-bin/ez-catalog/cat_display.cgi?11X358218#s700-2-7



The S700-2-7 is a two pole switch that normally sits with the lever in the

middle and momentarily pushed up or down.



See figure 11-15 of the article below for how to wire any "double pole,

double throw" (DPDT) switch to reverse polarity:



www.aeroelectric.com/articles/switches.pdf



I assume your linear actuator has internal limit switches.



-- Craig

p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:54 am Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

Hi James,



You want a DPDT Momentary switch for this purpose.  The 601 drawings 

I received from ZAC include a wiring diagram for this function.  I 

also did one for my own installation that includes a 15 amp circuit 

breaker (the size recommended by ZAC), the flap switch, wiring for 

both limit switches, and the flap motor.  I have no idea how much 

current your particular flap motor can draw, but with no other 

information I would use the same size circuit breaker and switch as 

the 601 drawing calls for.



I used a toggle switch for mine.  If you want a rocker style switch 

instead of a toggle you can probably find one from one of the big 

online electronic component houses like Digikey or Mouser.   If you 

are not used to this kind of supplier it can be a bit 

overwhelming.  I would be glad to look one up for you if you give me 

your final specifications including current requirement and color and 

size preference.  The most important specs are the current and 

DPDT-Momentary.  Just send me an email directly if you would like 

some further help.



I don't think you can read my drawing file for the flap wiring 

diagram.  I used Autosketch to draw it.  If you want to see it I can 

take a picture and send you a JPG file.



Good luck,



Paul

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At 07:46 PM 3/23/2007, you wrote:

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I'm in the process of wiring my flap motor for my 701.  I have a 12V 

Warner Linear Actuator with only 2 wires.  The actuator will reverse 

it's direction when I switch the 2 leads on my battery +/- terminals.

My question;  is there a "rocker" type switch that will work for 

this installation and how is it wired?   Thanks in advance for any help.  Jim


	


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Paul Mulwitz

32013 NE Dial Road

Camas, WA 98607

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planecrazydld(at)yahoo.co
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:21 am Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

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paulrod36(at)msn.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 10:13 am Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  In addition to these below, you might also consider automotive window or  seat switches, which come dirt cheap from a junkyard, and are DC rated, with  pretty good amperage capabilities. Some of them look pretty good, too.

  

 Paul Rodriguez

 601XL/Corvair

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rge177(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:26 pm Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

I've ordered a 10 amp breaker for my flap circuit,

which is what ZAC calls out on 6-S-2 of the 03/04

version of drawings for the 601XL.  I couldn't find a

current draw rating on my flap motor, so I'm not sure

what is required.  Does anyone know if there's been a

change in the requirment for the flap motor amperage?



Ron Ellis

Haslet, TX

601XL Jab 3300 Enigma

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From: Paul Mulwitz <p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net>

Subject:


	


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		  Hi James,


	


 	  Quote: 	
		  You want a DPDT Momentary switch for this purpose. 

The 601 drawings 

I received from ZAC include a wiring diagram for this

function.  I 

also did one for my own installation that includes a

15 amp circuit 

breaker (the size recommended by ZAC), the flap

switch, wiring for 


	


 

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craig(at)craigandjean.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:40 pm Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

I measured the steady-state draw of the factory actuator at 3-4 amps with no

mechanical load. I assume there is an initial surge that my meter doesn't

see and that the draw will be higher when actually moving the flaps in

flight.



-- Craig

davgray(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:59 am Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

I can add that a 7.5 amp fuse is not sufficient under flight loads.  I use a

15 a and it is fine.



Gary Ray



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rge177(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

Thanks for the info Craig, and Gary,  I also have the

15a circuit shown on 6-B-20 (didn't see that before),

so I'll just reorder a 15a breaker so I won't worry.



Ron

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		  I measured the steady-state draw of the factory

actuator at 3-4 amps 

with no

mechanical load. I assume there is an initial surge

that my meter 

doesn't

see and that the draw will be higher when actually

moving the flaps in

flight.


	


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		  -- Craig


	






 

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txpilot

Joined: 26 Feb 2007
Posts: 87
Location: Houston, TX

Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Flap Motor Switch

Two follow-up questions for some of the responders:



Why DPDT and not SPDT?  Maybe there's a difference with the 601 and 701 (I'm a 701 builder), but it seems with only one linear actuator you don't need a double pole.  Am I missing something?



Second, does anyone know who sells toggle switches that actually look like a flap handle, as opposed to the generic looking toggle switch?



Regarding your original question Jim, I've purchased Bob Nuckoll's Aeroelectic Connection.  He gives an excellent wiring diagram for an electric flap system.  In the diagram, he recommends a 15 amp breaker for the flap motor and 5 amp breaker for the flap control (relays and limit switches).

Dan Ginty

NYTerminat(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:47 am Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

In a message dated 3/28/2007 12:17:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  djg7(at)houston.rr.com writes:

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		  Two    follow-up questions for some of the responders:



Why DPDT and not    SPDT?  Maybe there's a difference with the 601 and 701 (I'm a 701    builder), but it seems with only one linear actuator you don't need a double    pole.  Am I missing something?

	


 

 If you are not using relays, you need the DPDT  switch to reverse the polarity 

  

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Afterfxllc(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:50 am Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

The reason for the DPDT is to reverse the polarity one side middle is B+  and the other middle connection is - and you couldn't have that with a SPDT  switch.

  

  

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p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

Hi Dan,



The DPDT switch is needed because both the leads on the motor must be 

switched between power and ground.  With a single pole switch one of 

the motor leads must be permanently connected to one of the power 

leads, and this would not allow for reversal of the motor direction.



I found a switch at Radio Shack that has a flattened toggle.  It is 

not as similar to flaps as the Cessna switch, but it is a small step 

in the right direction.



Paul

XL fuselage

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 	  Quote: 	
		  Why DPDT and not SPDT?  Maybe there's a difference with the 601 and 

701 (I'm a 701 builder), but it seems with only one linear actuator 

you don't need a double pole.  Am I missing something?



Second, does anyone know who sells toggle switches that actually 

look like a flap handle, as opposed to the generic looking toggle switch?


	


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Paul Mulwitz

32013 NE Dial Road

Camas, WA 98607

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Flydog1966(at)aol.com
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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:28 am Post subject: Flap Motor Switch

In a message dated 3/28/2007 12:02:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att.net writes:

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		  I found    a switch at Radio Shack that has a flattened toggle. 	


 

 And I have  found that the quality/reliability of Radio Shack switches  is  horrible. But this was some years ago,maybe its been resolved by  now.

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