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rx7tailwind

Joined: 28 Mar 2007
Posts: 5
Location: Massachusetts

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 4:35 am Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

Has anyone made a wooden W10 wing with fuel tank in it? Any thoughts on this?

sisson(at)consolidated.ne
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 6:16 am Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

I have. But it was not a "wet wing".

It is a Pitts with a center section fuel/smoke tank combination. Mine holds

about 5 or 6 gallons. I welded up an aluminum tank, shaped to fit in the

center section cavity. I just blocked it in good and solid before I put the

top 1/8" plywood on. No problems. It has been in there for about twenty six

years. Tested it good with soap and water for leaks and used an inflated

balloon to supply the air pressure for testing. The first one blew out like

a foot ball when I tested it with too much air. (just a couple of pounds

caused it to deform) 



Phil



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rx7tailwind

Joined: 28 Mar 2007
Posts: 5
Location: Massachusetts

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: Re: Wet W10 wings anyone?

I'm trying to eliminate the inside cabin fuel tank. Could more than one tank be placed in series inside the wing to carry 15-20 gal?

sisson(at)consolidated.ne
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:46 am Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

I bet they could but would not comment unless I could see and study the 

drawings. Taylorcraft had some small light weight wing tanks that held about 

6 gallons. It should not be hard to make some light weight tanks to hold 10 

gallons per side and slip them into a section of the wings. You could even 

build two of them per side if needed and pipe them together. I think it 

would be a very positive design change though if you can do it. Very nice 

airplane..

Phil in Litchfield, IL                  Pitts N1GB              RV6 N181RV

Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:54 AM

Subject: Re: Wet W10 wings anyone?

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 I'm trying to eliminate the inside cabin fuel tank. Could more than one 

 tank be placed in series inside the wing to carry 15-20 gal?





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 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103896#103896

bbutts(at)wowway.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:25 pm Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

You could always make a metal winged Tailwind   There are a couple of 

us that are building wet wing Tailwinds and one that is already flying.  

Earl Trimble has a website, earltrimble.com that has his story.  Earl's 

tanks came out to be 18 gal. per side.



Bruce E. Butts

N525WT



rx7tailwind wrote:



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I'm trying to eliminate the inside cabin fuel tank. Could more than one tank be placed in series inside the wing to carry 15-20 gal?





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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=103896#103896

CARRXW10(at)msn.com
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Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 7:32 pm Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]-->  Look through the archives in the tailwind forum, Jim Rust has done a  beautiful job of putting the carbon fiber tanks in his wings, Just recently  flew.

 Alex

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ardis_rb(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 2:47 am Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

About 40 years ago, there was a red Tailwind or Cougar at Weatherford, 

Texas with tip tanks--

at least they appeared to be tip tanks.  ' May be some problems with fuel 

flow in steep turns

and low fuel but the plumbing design and fuel pumps in the wings could take 

care of that

problem.



[quote]From: "Phil Sisson" <sisson(at)consolidated.net>

Reply-To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com

To: <tailwind-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Wet W10 wings anyone?

Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:14:51 -0600




<sisson(at)consolidated.net>



I have. But it was not a "wet wing".

It is a Pitts with a center section fuel/smoke tank combination. Mine holds

about 5 or 6 gallons. I welded up an aluminum tank, shaped to fit in the

center section cavity. I just blocked it in good and solid before I put the

top 1/8" plywood on. No problems. It has been in there for about twenty six

years. Tested it good with soap and water for leaks and used an inflated

balloon to supply the air pressure for testing. The first one blew out like

a foot ball when I tested it with too much air. (just a couple of pounds

caused it to deform)



Phil



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bbernard1945(at)sbcglobal
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

When I was building my metal wings, I thought about fuel in the wings. I admit it has advantages of allowing more room behind the panel and moving the CG aft a bit. However, it looked to me that it would be a complicated system with multiple tanks, fuel pumps, a lot of plumbing, and possibly a fairly significant amount of unusable fuel. I came to the conclusion that a single tank just behind the firewall, feeding the engine by gravity was the best solution.



Admittedly, I did not build any of a wing fuel tank. Others who have may show that my conclusions were in error. 



Bill

N40WB



Phil Sisson <sisson(at)consolidated.net> wrote:[quote] --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson" 



I bet they could but would not comment unless I could see and study the 

drawings. Taylorcraft had some small  light weight wing tanks that held about 

6 gallons. It should not be hard to make some light weight tanks to hold 10 

gallons per side and slip them into a section of the wings. You could even 

build two of them per side if needed and pipe them together. I think it 

would be a very positive design change though if you can do it. Very nice 

airplane..

Phil in Litchfield, IL                  Pitts N1GB              RV6 N181RV

Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 10:54 AM

Subject: Re: Wet W10 wings anyone?

[quote] --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "rx7tailwind" 



 I'm trying to eliminate the inside cabin fuel tank. Could more than one 

 tank be placed in series inside the wing to carry 15-20 gal?





 Read this topic online here:



 [quote][b]

sisson(at)consolidated.ne
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 5:58 am Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

Wow,  the list comes alive.



So many of these matronics lists are virtually dead.



I am a tailwind fan. Always have been, always will be. Could never get

started. In the mean time I built a Pitts and an RV6. The tailwind still

lingers though. I have a nice RV6, but I think the TW is a more practical

plane when one considers every thing, such as cost to build and simplicity.

Couple that with a very respectable cruise speed per HP and the TW is a

close shoice.



Vans plans are not real clear in a lot of areas. The second time around they

would be, but the first time they are somewhat un-clear.

As for the metal wings. I would sure look into them if I were a builder and

I had not yet stsrted a set of wings.



Keep this list going... Let's trade rides... I may get the torch fired up. 



Phil in Central Illinois

4luc(at)sbcglobal.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:41 am Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

Phil

  

 The Yahoo Tailwind Forum has more activity. Are you a member on that list?

  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/ 



If you really want to see Tailwinds go to Baraboo WI (KDLL) the weekend before Oshkosh.

  

 Luc

  

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tailwind222(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 8:41 am Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

Phil,   The Tailwind people are mainly using the Yahoo forum now instgead of Matronics, with over 630 members and growing nicely very active.  Check it out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/

   

  Jim Rusk is a carbon fiber pro, and he has 50 gals of fuel in his wing tanks. Wings are wood. He may give his view, if you ask for it, he is on the Yahoo forum.  I think he questioned whether it was worth the extra work involved.  Also fueling the plane is not so easy.  

    Attached is a picture of his wing and you can see the tank fuel caps.    George



Phil Sisson <sisson(at)consolidated.net> wrote:

  [quote]--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson"  



Wow, the list comes alive.



So many of these matronics lists are virtually dead.



I am a tailwind fan. Always have been, always will be. Could never get

started. In the mean time I built a Pitts and an RV6. The tailwind still

lingers though. I have a nice RV6, but I think the TW is a more practical

plane when one considers every thing, such as cost to build and simplicity.

Couple that with a very respectable cruise speed per HP and the TW is a

close shoice.



Vans plans are not real clear in a lot of areas. The second time around they

would be, but the first time they are somewhat un-clear.

As for the metal wings. I would sure look into them if I were a builder and

I had not yet stsrted a set of wings.



Keep this list going... Let's trade rides... I may get the torch fired up. 



Phil in Central  TV dinner still cooling?

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bbernard1945(at)sbcglobal
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Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

Phil, I read a quote many years ago from a Tailwind builder who said, "The plans give you a wonderful opportunity to use your imagination."



I doubt I would have gotten mine done without the help from folks on the internet.



Bill

N40WB

Phil Sisson <sisson(at)consolidated.net> wrote:[quote] --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson" 



Wow,  the list comes alive.



So many of these matronics lists are virtually dead.



I am a tailwind fan. Always have been, always will be. Could never get

started. In the mean time I built a Pitts and an RV6. The tailwind still

lingers though. I have a nice RV6, but I think the TW is a more practical

plane when one considers every thing, such as cost to build and simplicity.

Couple that with a very respectable cruise speed per HP and [quote][b]

rx7tailwind

Joined: 28 Mar 2007
Posts: 5
Location: Massachusetts

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Wet W10 wings anyone?

Hey guys, thanks for all the replies...I'm getting more excited about the possibility of wing tanks. Looking at the wing design (see attachment) wing ribs 4,5 and 6  could be replaced in between the spars by a tank made of fiberglass with wood stringers on top and bottom so that the plywood skin can then glue onto the stringers. wood in front and back of the tank structure could help attach to the top of the spars...but before I do anything, I'll look at what others have done. No need to reinvent wheels here...any ideas?

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sbarrie8281(at)charter.ne
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Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

Jon Staudacher, in Bay City Michigan, has wet wood wings in his competition planes

and also in several others that he has built for himself.  Perhaps he would share the technique and limitations. 



---- Alex Frizzell <CARRXW10(at)msn.com> wrote: 

[quote] Look through the archives in the tailwind forum, Jim Rust has done a beautiful job of putting the carbon fiber tanks in his wings, Just recently flew.

 Alex

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tailwind222(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

Idea:   Join the yahoo Tailwind Forum and ask the same question.



rx7tailwind <lbosch13(at)msn.com> wrote:  [quote]--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "rx7tailwind" 



Hey guys, thanks for all the replies...I'm getting more excited about the possibility of wing tanks. Looking at the wing design (see attachment) wing ribs 4,5 and 6 could be replaced in between the spars by a tank made of fiberglass with wood stringers on top and bottom so that the plywood skin can then glue onto the stringers. wood in front and back of the tank structure could help attach to the top of the spars...but before I do anything, I'll look at what others have done. No need to reinvent wheels here...any ideas?





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rx7tailwind

Joined: 28 Mar 2007
Posts: 5
Location: Massachusetts

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:22 am Post subject: Re: Wet W10 wings anyone?

Thanks, done.

stephenjpower(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:24 am Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

I visited the Yahoo TW forum yesterday and sigining up was more difficult 

than my first tail dragger lesson.  Figuratively speaking, I flew on after 

the first bad bounce.  Stephen Power Vacaville, CA

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		  From: George Turner <tailwind222(at)yahoo.com>

Reply-To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com

To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re: Wet W10 wings anyone?

Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 07:56:41 -0700 (PDT)



Idea:   Join the yahoo Tailwind Forum and ask the same question.



rx7tailwind <lbosch13(at)msn.com> wrote:  

"rx7tailwind"



Hey guys, thanks for all the replies...I'm getting more excited about the 

possibility of wing tanks. Looking at the wing design (see attachment) wing 

ribs 4,5 and 6 could be replaced in between the spars by a tank made of 

fiberglass with wood stringers on top and bottom so that the plywood skin 

can then glue onto the stringers. wood in front and back of the tank 

structure could help attach to the top of the spars...but before I do 

anything, I'll look at what others have done. No need to reinvent wheels 

here...any ideas?





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rx7tailwind

Joined: 28 Mar 2007
Posts: 5
Location: Massachusetts

Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 3:31 am Post subject: Re: Wet W10 wings anyone?

I find the architecture of this site better also...for one, the pictures are saved and accessible...the messages in the string are completely displayed...but, hey..."say lah vee"

IslPilot(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

Problem is that when you look at the area available between the ribs, you  have less than 6 gallons available.  I decided it was not worth it and will  use a fuselage tank behind the seats.

  

 Callbie's metal wing would be the way to go for tank capacity.

  

 Paul

Paul F. Baron

Cell#  231-675-4258



See what's free at AOL.com. 

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sisson(at)consolidated.ne
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: Wet W10 wings anyone?

I’ll have to make the Baraboo thing this year…      

   

   

   

Phil   

    

The Yahoo Tailwind Forum has more activity. Are you a member on that list?  

    

 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/ 

 

 If you really want to see Tailwinds go to Baraboo WI (KDLL) the weekend before Oshkosh.  

    

   

    

Luc  

    

   

    

----- Original Message ----

 From: Phil Sisson <sisson(at)consolidated.net>

 To: tailwind-list(at)matronics.com

 Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:56:38 AM

 Subject: RE: Re: Wet W10 wings anyone?    

--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Phil Sisson" <sisson(at)consolidated.net>

 

 Wow,  the list comes alive.

 

 So many of these matronics lists are virtually dead.

 

 I am a tailwind fan. Always have been, always will be. Could never get

 started. In the mean time I built a Pitts and an RV6. The tailwind still

 lingers though. I have a nice RV6, but I think the TW is a more practical

 plane when one considers every thing, such as cost to build and simplicity.

 Couple that with a very respectable cruise speed per HP and the TW is a

 close shoice.

 

 Vans plans are not real clear in a lot of areas. The second time around they

 would be, but the first time they are somewhat un-clear.

 

 

 As for the metal wings. I would sure look into them if I were a builder and

 I had not yet stsrted a set of wings.

 

 Keep this list going... Let's trade rides... I may get the torch fired up. 

 

 Phil in Central     

   

  

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