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dougwe(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 19, 2007 8:49 pm Post subject: Kolb-related news story on KSL tonight

KSL TV carried this story  tonight - not just an ultralight segment, but a positive one as well...what  model Kolb is this fellow flying?   

  

 http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1124968

  

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jimhefner

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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Kolb-related news story on KSL tonight

Adriel's plane is a modified Twinstar.  For many years he flew the Twinstar with a 582, but swapped it out for a 912S a few years ago before doing a shoot in Hawaii.  The assumption was that he wanted more reliability flying over lots of water and hostile terrain.... nothing new for him.  He also got lots of extra durability/range due to improved fuel economy over the 582, which was likely a key part of the decision.



Last week I learned 2nd hand that Adriel has recenly purchased a FlightDesign CTsw.  I understand he plans to fly it with doors removed, since there is no strut to interfere with photography.  He recently flew the CT to Tucson from Montrose, CO with his wife Holly and stopped in at La Cholla airpark to visit my flight instructor and wife.  I missed seeing him by less than 30 minutes.... darn it!!  I saw a couple photos of Adriel and Holly with the new plane.  Full glass cockpit!!  Quite a change from the old Twinstar with wind in his face and boots hanging in the breeze.... interesting to see this news clip.... that is what he has been known for since the beginning.  With the CT he will fly to his photo locations instead of towing the Twinstar in his trailer and flying local.

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grabo172

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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb-related news story on KSL tonight

OK...  



Can anyone tell me how he gets past the limitation on E-AB and E-LSA Operating Limitations that say the aircraft can't be used for commercial purposes?



I ask, because I'm an aerial photographer, and legally, I can't use my Firestar as a photo platform if I'm going to sell the photos as part of a business.  I did many weeks of research and calling the FSDO and everything to see if I could use it...  the final answer was... NO

I would LOVE to be able to use my Firestar instead of having to rent a 172 everytime I go on a photoshoot.  Not only to save money ($9/hour vs $165/hour), but it is a MUCH better photo platform.



So any ideas on how he can do it legally, or is he just doing it illeagally?

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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: Kolb-related news story on KSL tonight

At 05:00 PM 4/20/2007, grabo172 wrote:

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		  ...legally, I can't use my Firestar as a photo platform if I'm going to 

sell the photos as part of a business.  I did many weeks of research and 

calling the FSDO and everything to see if I could use it...  the final 

answer was... NO

I would LOVE to be able to use my Firestar instead of having to rent a 172 

everytime I go on a photoshoot.  Not only to save money ($9/hour vs 

$165/hour), but it is a MUCH better photo platform.



So any ideas on how he can do it legally, or is he just doing it illeagally?


	


$165 an hour?  Yikes!  Sure has gone up since the last time I rented one!



Depending on your intentions, it could be a gray area.  It's OK to take 

pictures-- photography is a legitimate recreational activity-- and it's OK 

to sell them later-- but you're not allowed to make a flight for the 

purpose of taking pictures that you intend to sell.  Enforcement would be 

unlikely... unless you were advertising an aerial photography business or 

taking orders to photograph specific things.



AC103.7 says, "Persons are not prohibited from flying ultralights and then 

authoring books about their experiences for which they ultimately receive 

compensation," which is what Adriel seems to be doing.



                         -Dana

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grabo172

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Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: Kolb-related news story on KSL tonight

$165...  $135 for the plane and $30 for a pilot...  the company I rent from for my photoshoots doesn't allow commercial flights without thier instructor on board.  



I used to be an instructor for them.  Photo flights were the most fun flights I got to do.  But since I'm no longer with them as a pilot, I have to pay the extra for them.



Wish I could use my Kolb!

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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: Kolb-related news story on KSL tonight

Well if he is selling his pictures after taking them, but not          contracting the kolb to take the pictures then he is legal. The          difference as far as the feds are concerned is "Holding Out" in other          words is he is advertising his kolb for the purposes of taking          pictures. If he is on his own accord flying his Kolb and taking          pictures and then he sells them he is 100% legal. If he takes a paying          pax with him for the purposes of a photo shoot then he is not legal          and will be violated. In other words if he is doing it for himself he          is legal if he is doing it for someone else he is FAR 135 or another          type of regulated commercial op, like a flight school etc.. .              

         the purpose of the reg is the protection of the public, if you are          acting on your own behalf for your own purposes even if they are          monetary you are clear. Even the mighty FAA has to regulate in          accordance with the Constitution, this is why we have the best          aviation in the world.              

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At 05:00 PM 4/20/2007, grabo172          wrote:

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		  ...legally, I can't use my Firestar as a photo platform if          I'm going to

sell the photos as part of a business. I did many          weeks of research and

calling the FSDO and everything to see if I          could use it... the final

answer was... NO

         >I would LOVE to be able to use my Firestar instead of having to rent          a 172

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		  everytime I go on a photoshoot. Not only to save money          ($9/hour vs

$165/hour), but it is a MUCH better photo platform.

 >

 	  Quote: 	
		  So any ideas on how he can do it legally, or is he just doing it          illeagally?

$165 an hour? Yikes! Sure has gone up since the          last time I rented one!

Depending on your intentions, it could          be a gray area. It's OK to take

pictures-- photography is a          legitimate recreational activity-- and it's OK

to sell them later--          but you're not allowed to make a flight for the

purpose of taking          pictures that you intend to sell. Enforcement would be

unlikely...          unless you were advertising an aerial photography business or

         taking orders to photograph specific things.

AC103.7 says,          "Persons are not prohibited from flying ultralights and then

         authoring books about their experiences for which they ultimately          receive

compensation," which is what Adriel seems to be doing.

 -Dana

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