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gregoryf.flyboy(at)comcas
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 Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:12 am Post subject: Europa handling characteristics vs Tomahawk and Piper Warria |
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This question probably cannot be answered by too many people. It would require that someone has been up in all 3 of these craft, or intimately knowledgeable about them all. I have the option of finishing off my flight training in a (cheaper to operate) Piper Tomahawk, or a (what I’m used to) Piper Warrior. I went up in the Tomahawk yesterday, but am leaning towards the Warrior, unless the Europa flies more like a tomahawk than the Warrior. Then I might stick with it. For those in the know, which craft does the Europa most fly like, concerning stalls, handling, etc? Next flight is Friday, so a decision must be made soon.
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Greg (A050)
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pjeffers(at)talktalk.net
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:10 am Post subject: Europa handling characteristics vs Tomahawk and Piper Warria |
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Assuming your Europa is a Tri Gear then the Tomahawk is as near as either those you mention, BUT the Europa is much more responsive. The big difference with the Europa is its lack of inertia and this definitely needs to be appreciated to avoid awkward landings. You need to keep power on right into the flare.
If yours is a Mono then practice in a Cub would be much more useful to you.
I hope this helps a little
Pete
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Subject: Europa handling characteristics vs Tomahawk and Piper Warriar
This question probably cannot be answered by too many people. It would require that someone has been up in all 3 of these craft, or intimately knowledgeable about them all. I have the option of finishing off my flight training in a (cheaper to operate) Piper Tomahawk, or a (what I’m used to) Piper Warrior. I went up in the Tomahawk yesterday, but am leaning towards the Warrior, unless the Europa flies more like a tomahawk than the Warrior. Then I might stick with it. For those in the know, which craft does the Europa most fly like, concerning stalls, handling, etc? Next flight is Friday, so a decision must be made soon.
Thanks,
Greg (A050)
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willie.harrison(at)tinyon
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| Posted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:13 am Post subject: Europa handling characteristics vs Tomahawk and Piper Warria |
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Hello Greg
I went from many years of flying the Warrior to a trigear Europa. I expected the Europa to be a bit like the Warrior but it isn't. Main differences are:
Europa is much more responsive to all controls - its smaller, lighter, has stick not yoke, aerobatic (if you don't live in the UK). It feels frisky at first.
Europa in noticeably less draggy than the Warrior, eg taking more time to slow to flap extension speed in the circuit.
Unlike the Warrior, the Europa is unforgiving of being landed too fast (fragile nose gear and tendency to PIO/porpoise on a bumpy runway, if allowed)
Castoring nosewheel means brakes needed for first few metres of takeoff run. Also, the nosewheel can have shimmying issues if not set up right.
Warrior is built like a brick s**thouse, Europa isn't and needs much more mechanical sympathy.
Stalling is equally benign, in my experience.
If you are building a mono wheel then get advice from experienced monowheel pilots.
I can't comment on the Tomahawk.
Whatever you do, pick someone good to do your conversion training when the time comes.
Best wishes
Willie Harrison
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This question probably cannot be answered by too many people. It would require that someone has been up in all 3 of these craft, or intimately knowledgeable about them all. I have the option of finishing off my flight training in a (cheaper to operate) Piper Tomahawk, or a (what I’m used to) Piper Warrior. I went up in the Tomahawk yesterday, but am leaning towards the Warrior, unless the Europa flies more like a tomahawk than the Warrior. Then I might stick with it. For those in the know, which craft does the Europa most fly like, concerning stalls, handling, etc? Next flight is Friday, so a decision must be made soon.
Thanks,
Greg (A050)
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