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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 8:16 am Post subject: W&B

Boyd,



Big Lar has suggested that you have contrived an inexpensive radio ariel. 

Can you let me have details please.



Pat



Off list if you like  pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: W&B

Here it is, pretty simple to make. Good luck.

http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg9.htm

Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

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Kingsport, TN 3TN0

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 12:55 pm Post subject: W&B

pretty simple to make. >>



Famous last words.  To me anything electrical that you dont push into a 

socket and switch it on , is complicated..  However my ex partner in the 

Eurostar builds his own  model railway stuff and has a little workshop. 

Time to call in a favour I think.



Thank you  and thank you to the several list members who have given me 

advice.  Thanks everybody



Pat

pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: W&B

The spread sheet is not been made to look real purdy,,,,,   but it works.>>



Boyd,



I have tried without success to view and print this. I have not been able to 

produce a program to open an xls file.



Is it possible to send it in another format ?



Pat

d-m-hague(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject: W&B

At 05:03 PM 8/9/2007, you wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  I have tried without success to view and print this. I have not been able 

to produce a program to open an xls file.


	


xls is Microsoft Excel, part of MS Office.  If you don't have that then the 

free software OpenOffice (http://openoffice.org) will do it.



                                 -Dana



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"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public

debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom tempered and

controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest

Rome become bankrupt" -Cicero, 68 B.C.

pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: W&B

xls is Microsoft Excel, >>



Thanks Dana,

I think Wendy has that on her confuser.



Pat

jenelson1(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:31 am Post subject: W&B

I finished my Kolb Firestar rework last night and  have a question.  My W&B is at 33% and the manual says it needs to be  at 20 to 37%.  My question is what are you guys getting for W&B and  being slightly tail heavy has anyone had any issues?  I would rather have  it a little tail heavy as I can lean forward to get out of any strange  situations.  When I had the Luscombe I was amazed at how things  changed on the plane when I just leaned forward a little.  I will be  calling for the inspection this PM.  I was happy with my weight, I  turned out to be 359 with full fuel and an electrical system w battery.  It  is still a pull start though.  That is another thing as the fuel is burned  off my W&B will change.  I guess I will do a W&B with the tank  empty tonight. If anyone is interested I can post the W&B. Let me know.  I also installed a IVO 2 blade prop.  I can't believe how much  smoother it runs over the old wood prop that was on it.

  

 Thanks

 Jeff Nelson

 Kolb Firestar KXP N1655E

  

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Thom Riddle

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 1597
Location: Buffalo, NY, USA (9G0)

Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: Re: W&B

Jeff,



I get the impression from your post that you are talking about your CG without you, the pilot, sitting in the airplane. If I am interpreting your post incorrectly, sorry. 



However, if I'm interpreting it correctly, please note the following:



The acceptable CG range is meaningful only with the aircraft loaded (you and fuel and gizmos you carry) and in flight stance, not tail on the ground. You should be interested in the CG location with you in the airplane and full fuel but also with you in the airplane and minimum fuel,  since you will use the fuel in flight. Your aircraft empty weight(no fuel) and CG location in flight stance is needed so you can calculate what various loading (different pilot weights) will do to the CG in flight. Your empty weight CG location does not have to be within the acceptable range, in fact rarely will be in a Kolb.



I hope this clarifies the meaning and significance of the acceptable CG range numbers.

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jenelson1(at)hotmail.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:28 am Post subject: W&B

Sorry yes I did include myself in the percentage calculation with full fuel 

and all the gizmo's and the empty weight I had included 5 gal of fuel so 

with me and everything the full weight is at 565 and my understanding from 

the paperwork I have this is within the gross weight.  I was just asking is 

where are other people at for their CG.  As you know this is a big part of 

the certification process and needs to be right.



Thanks

Jeff

From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr(at)gmail.com>

Reply-To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

To: kolb-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: W&B

Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:36:22 -0700






Jeff,



I get the impression from your post that you are talking about your CG 

without you, the pilot, sitting in the airplane. If I am interpreting your 

post incorrectly, sorry.



However, if I'm interpreting it correctly, please note the following:



The acceptable CG range is meaningful only with the aircraft loaded (you and 

fuel and gizmos you carry) and in flight stance, not tail on the ground. You 

should be interested in the CG location with you in the airplane and full 

fuel but also with you in the airplane and minimum fuel,  since you will use 

the fuel in flight. Your aircraft empty weight(no fuel) and CG location in 

flight stance is needed so you can calculate what various loading (different 

pilot weights) will do to the CG in flight. Your empty weight CG location 

does not have to be within the acceptable range, in fact rarely will be in a 

Kolb.



I hope this clarifies the meaning and significance of the acceptable CG 

range numbers.



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Thom in Buffalo

N197BG FS1/447



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Thom Riddle

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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 10:38 am Post subject: Re: W&B

Jeff,



My FS 1 CG is at 33.4% with full fuel and me, 33.0% with tank near empty.



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gaman(at)att.net
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Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:16 pm Post subject: W&B

Thom,

          my FS 2 was at the aft end of the cg range also.probably because of a lot of paint including silver,white then aerothane which added at least 30 lbs to the plane plus at 170 (my wgt.) needed 10 bag of lead shot in the nose.It will feel a lot more stable if it's a little forward than aft.Throw some tire weight lead in a bag and try it out.I also raised the horizontal leading edge 3/4 of an inch with brackets to trim it out better.

         Been there,G.Aman FS2



Thom Riddle <riddletr(at)gmail.com> wrote:[quote] --> Kolb-List message posted by: "Thom Riddle" 



Jeff,



My FS 1 CG is at 33.4% with full fuel and me, 33.0% with tank near empty.



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N197BG [quote][b]

by0ung(at)brigham.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 8:53 am Post subject: W&B

For anyone that is interested....  I have redone my W&B spreadsheet in word

perfect 8  ,,,  note that the spreadsheet will not calculate....  it is only

useful to show you what entries to put in the cells of your spreadsheet

program....



Also converted it to asci text,,,   I did not line up the columns as well as

I should have but it will let you know what to put into the cells of your

spreadsheet program....  for ease of meaning I put the additions in long

hand instead of using an    (at)sum    function...   



If you would like   I could forward the spread sheet in 

quarto pro

excel

dbase

123

Paradox



I don't know how they will convert in other than the quarto pro and excel

programs.

Dbase   123   and paradox,,,,, you will be on your own.  Also if you have

special requirements,,,, I can output in different versions of the listed

software.



Do not archive.



Boyd

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