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tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 2:52 pm Post subject: towers

While we all complain about the intrusion of all of the cell phone 

towers, most everyone is more than ready to make use  of the cell phone 

service they provide with few exceptions.



Sad when you consider how obsolete this technology really is!  There was 

an individual who was advanced enough to promote the use of satellites 

for this purpose and was actively pursuing funding to set up a network 

of satellites  to accomplish this.   The big boy communication companies 

saw this as a threat and undermined his ability to secure funding to do 

so.  They had their moneys already invested in a low tech solution that 

we all have to deal with.



So here we are with a technology that will be replaced in the near 

future with satellites and I guarantee you the towers will be left there 

to rot as unsightly reminders of excess and still obstacles to air 

navigation.  But in the meantime they serve the never ending demands of 

the current generation for mindless blabber's!!   You as taxpayers will 

ultimately be saddled with the bill to tear them down or watch them 

collapse. 



Remember when you use your cell phone they make it possible!!!!!!!!!



Isn't the me generation great!!!!!!!



Terry  -  FireFly  #95

Steven Green

Joined: 05 Feb 2006
Posts: 118

Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: towers

I would gladly give up cell phones to eliminate the towers that clutter the

tops of otherwise beautiful mountains and ridges.  I normally fly at

altitudes that are well above the tops of the towers so they are normally

not a problem to aviation.  I just hate to see them appearing on top of

every ridge in sight.



do not archive

Steven



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		   Remember when you use your cell phone they make it possible!!!!!!!!!



 Isn't the me generation great!!!!!!!



 Terry  -  FireFly  #95

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Steven Green

ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
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Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: towers

Terry Frantz wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  



While we all complain about the intrusion of all of the cell phone 

towers, most everyone is more than ready to make use  of the cell phone 

service they provide with few exceptions.



Sad when you consider how obsolete this technology really is!  There was 

an individual who was advanced enough to promote the use of satellites 

for this purpose and was actively pursuing funding to set up a network 

of satellites  to accomplish this.   The big boy communication companies 

saw this as a threat and undermined his ability to secure funding to do 

so.  They had their moneys already invested in a low tech solution that 

we all have to deal with.



So here we are with a technology that will be replaced in the near 

future with satellites and I guarantee you the towers will be left there 

to rot as unsightly reminders of excess and still obstacles to air 

navigation.  But in the meantime they serve the never ending demands of 

the current generation for mindless blabber's!!   You as taxpayers will 

ultimately be saddled with the bill to tear them down or watch them 

collapse. 



Remember when you use your cell phone they make it possible!!!!!!!!!



Isn't the me generation great!!!!!!!



Terry  -  FireFly  #95




	


No doubt we all will eventually be using some form of Sat. phones, but 

at present there's no way to have enough bandwidth to achieve what you 

mention. The reason there are so many towers is so that the same 

frequencies at extremely low power can be used on every tower to allow 

thousands to talk on the same freqs.



BTW, I agree with your general attitude about them. The only cell phone 

we own is a prepaid model my wife carries for emergency use.



Unlit tower issue: you need to find the owner of the tower (likely not 

the cell company). Most are pretty sensitive to safety issues because of 

liability. If there's one near an airport that's registered with the 

FAA,  mentioning it to them might well get a response even if they 

aren't required to do anything.

Charlie

esteuber(at)rochester.rr.
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 4:05 am Post subject: towers

Yeah ! Tell me about all the new towers.....been cropdusting around western NY since the early 70's and they are really getting to be a problem...I know where they all are but am worrying about getting alzheimers...

    Hey BB , maybe the wind blew some of them down...took my windsock and put it in the next county...still lookin for it

                                                                                                        Memory Challenged Ed in Western NewYork

        Oh yeah , now I remember...do not archive

tc1917(at)Direcway.com
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:10 am Post subject: towers

jest a few cents worth.  if ya think ya gotta problem now, just wait.  the 

mindless powers that be back in the clinton admin, signed into law the 

ability or the probability of the hd tv towers.  yep, those can go up higher 

than two grand spaced where-ever they want.  hd digital needs line of sight 

transmission and will replace free tv -- ooops, analog tv transmissions.  ya 

see, the big boys want to rope us into paying for  MANDATORY hd digital 

whether we want or need it.  clintons baby it is.  line of sight doesnt mean 

a KOLBS line of sight, but transmission wise.  that means we gonna have 

towers everywhere and this is a good thing for them cause we HAVE to pay to 

use them or forget tv.  us with sats will already be in the loop but we 

still gonna have to watch our eyes off for unlit, new and old towers.  good 

thing our Kolbs really fly well cause we gonna have to yank and bank to keep 

away from them when they strart growing which I understand will be mandatory 

tv transmissions by 08.  wonder if anyone ever gave thought to the use of 

our emergency broadcast system which works analog in rain, wind, storms, 

supposedly bombs.  wont work in line of sight when a little rain blanks you 

out.  our government, the eighth wonder of the world!  Keep your eyes 

rolling and your heads a spinnin cause we gonna have wild ride some times. 

ted cowan. alabama.  do not archieve

slyck(at)frontiernet.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 5:32 am Post subject: towers

Look at the bright side, now we'll have slalom flying.  Maybe become a 

competition

event.  Good for pylon turns too.

Seriously, my first tightened sphincter reaction from one of them was 

about 1994

and I hadn't done much flying for a spell. I was up doing happy low 

level

circles in the air and one of those freshly sprouted things came into 

view.

That put a damper on my cheery mood.  But a real wake up call too.

-BB  do not archive

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flht99reh(at)netzero.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: towers

Now Ted, that really scares me and I'm sure when MZ. Clinton wins election

two terms out (cause, well we seem to forget the past only weeks ago, and

she seems so sincere), she will be able to mount the additional "big

brother" cameras on each one of them as an added bonus to the tax payers.

After all, the new by-line will be "why do you worry, are you doing

something illegal?". They got this far protecting us from ourselves. I'l bet

Pat's (Ladd) having a blast reading about our simple suffering, since in

England they don't have any traditional rights left. Hey Pat, were not far

behind.



Do not archive.. they have enough information on me already!



Dysfunctional Ralph of Ohio (that way I can plead insanity)



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Russ Kinne

Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Posts: 182

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: towers

Charlie, Terry,  you're right on!

The present cell trechnology is obsolete, but it works (sort of) so  

everyone keeps it and uses it.

I don't think it will be too long before the MESH system  or  

something similar, replaces the cells. But the towers won't be torn  

down --they'll be rented out as antenna platforms for business radio  

and other stuff. One of the ones in  Westchester County has had green  

fiberglass branches added to it -- for purely cosmetic reasons. I  

have to admit it looks better --

If a cell tower is a danger to you, you're flying pretty low! --  

might be good to get a little more altitude.

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On Feb 17, 2006, at 9:29 PM, Charlie England wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net>

 Terry Frantz wrote:

> 

> <tkrolfe(at)usadatanet.net>

>

> While we all complain about the intrusion of all of the cell phone

> towers, most everyone is more than ready to make use  of the cell  

> phone

> service they provide with few exceptions.

>

> Sad when you consider how obsolete this technology really is!   

> There was

> an individual who was advanced enough to promote the use of  

> satellites

> for this purpose and was actively pursuing funding to set up a  

> network

> of satellites  to accomplish this.   The big boy communication  

> companies

> saw this as a threat and undermined his ability to secure funding  

> to do

> so.  They had their moneys already invested in a low tech solution  

> that

> we all have to deal with.

>

> So here we are with a technology that will be replaced in the near

> future with satellites and I guarantee you the towers will be left  

> there

> to rot as unsightly reminders of excess and still obstacles to air

> navigation.  But in the meantime they serve the never ending  

> demands of

> the current generation for mindless blabber's!!   You as taxpayers  

> will

> ultimately be saddled with the bill to tear them down or watch them

> collapse.

>

> Remember when you use your cell phone they make it possible!!!!!!!!!

>

> Isn't the me generation great!!!!!!!

>

> Terry  -  FireFly  #95

>

 No doubt we all will eventually be using some form of Sat. phones, but

 at present there's no way to have enough bandwidth to achieve what you

 mention. The reason there are so many towers is so that the same

 frequencies at extremely low power can be used on every tower to allow

 thousands to talk on the same freqs.

 BTW, I agree with your general attitude about them. The only cell  

 phone

 we own is a prepaid model my wife carries for emergency use.

 Unlit tower issue: you need to find the owner of the tower (likely not

 the cell company). Most are pretty sensitive to safety issues  

 because of

 liability. If there's one near an airport that's registered with the

 FAA,  mentioning it to them might well get a response even if they

 aren't required to do anything.

 Charlie

flht99reh(at)netzero.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:09 am Post subject: towers

I used to play a pretty mean pin ball game but in a plane, not! The area I'm

taking my lessons in has tower farms, power company transmission main line

trunks, little cell towers and a few AM and FM high towers. Add to that the

telephone wires, local power comp wires, cable comp wires and assorted

"unknown" wires and then put on the new and improved HD TV towers Ted Cowan

was talking about and only in 2008 and we will all need more powerful

engines to get us out of the jams. I remember back when I was hot and heavy

into Astronomy. I had an observatory dome in my back yard, same place I live

now. Traffic lights, street lights town lights, home lights were minimal and

the southern sky's were a great view. Now 15-18 years later I can barely see

the moon, because of all the lighting. What price we pay for progress. Oh

well we will continue to adapt our ways to fit our needs in order to

continue our loves. 



Ralph of Ohio

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edchmiel(at)mindspring.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: towers

Please gents, spare the partisan politicking.  If the present prez were such 

a wunderkind, he would repeal all these 'onerous' regs.  IMO, he's the worst 

prez ever, but you don't hear me whining ad nauseum about it (til it gets 

unbearable like now).  Is it me, or has the tower thread pony been flailed 

enough?



Do not archive.



Ed in JXN

MkII/503

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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne
Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: towers

The sad thing is, the core issue isn't 'partisan'. There are astounding 

parallels between the Johnson administration in the '60s & the current 

administration. Bottom line: you can *never* trust *any* government, as 

our founding fathers clearly understood but we have forgotten.



You don't have to wait for Ms Clinton for your fears of privacy invasion 

to be realized. The current one (or at least their computers) is 

listening to all of our phone calls now (read up on the NSA controversy 

& understand what's between the lines), they have gathered info on tens 

of thousands of Americans without warrants using 'national security 

letters' (does anyone believe that there are tens of thousands of 

Americans in this country who are terrorists?), the FBI paid visits to 

members of antiwar groups prior to the last Republican convention & 

tried to intimidate them into staying away, the FCC is floating a 

proposal right now to require all handlers of data, meaning internet 

providers, phone companies, etc, to provide a 'back door' into all their 

switches & routers so that the Justice Dept can eavesdrop at will, etc 

etc etc.



Be afraid. Be Very Afraid.

Ed Chmielewski wrote:



[quote]



Please gents, spare the partisan politicking.  If the present prez were such 

a wunderkind, he would repeal all these 'onerous' regs.  IMO, he's the worst 

prez ever, but you don't hear me whining ad nauseum about it (til it gets 

unbearable like now).  Is it me, or has the tower thread pony been flailed 

enough?



Do not archive.



Ed in JXN

MkII/503

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flht99reh(at)netzero.net
Guest

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: towers

In the immortal words of one of my positing predecessors: " If ya don't like

something on the web, its your right as a free citizen to turn another

channel". Now if you look how this site is laid out, you will quickly note

(or perhaps not) that it is entitled 'blinking and flashing flashing and

blinking". If you also note it is about towers. If you don't want to read

about towers or blinking and flashing, do not click on any of the messages!

That's what's referred to as "democracy" not be associated in any way with

democrats! And if you don't like a political pun, ignore it. I've had to for

both trips of your man(?). Now go fly or something. And "ONE post" about a

family member of a x-pres does not make a wining thread, typical demo##$%#%!



Politically correct Ralph in Ohio



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Mike Schnabel

Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Posts: 114
Location: Manchester, TN

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:25 am Post subject: towers

Gentlemen, you are bringing to truth a message one of our founding fathers spoke. Soon after the Declaration of Independance was written, Thomas Jefferson was asked, what sort of government have you given us? His reply, "A Republic, If you can keep it"... somber thoughts, for those that think.

   

  Mike S

  Manchester TN

   

   

  do not archive



Charlie England <ceengland(at)bellsouth.net> wrote:

  



The sad thing is, the core issue isn't 'partisan'. There are astounding 

parallels between the Johnson administration in the '60s & the current 

administration. Bottom line: you can *never* trust *any* government, as 

our founding fathers clearly understood but we have forgotten.



You don't have to wait for Ms Clinton for your fears of privacy invasion 

to be realized. The current one (or at least their computers) is 

listening to all of our phone calls now (read up on the NSA controversy 

& understand what's between the lines), they have gathered info on tens 

of thousands of Americans without warrants using 'national security 

letters' (does anyone believe that there are tens of thousands of 

Americans in this country who are terrorists?), the FBI paid visits to 

members of antiwar groups prior to the last Republican convention & 

tried to intimidate them into staying away, the FCC is floating a 

proposal right now to require all handlers of data, meaning internet 

providers, phone companies, etc, to provide a 'back door' into all their 

switches & routers so that the Justice Dept can eavesdrop at will, etc 

etc etc.



Be afraid. Be Very Afraid.

Ed Chmielewski wrote:



[quote]



Please gents, spare the partisan politicking. If the present prez were such 

a wunderkind, he would repeal all these 'onerous' regs. IMO, he's the worst 

prez ever, but you don't hear me whining ad nauseum about it (til it gets 

unbearable like now). Is it me, or has the tower thread pony been flailed 

enough?



Do not archive.



Ed in JXN

MkII/503

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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:31 am Post subject: towers

Pat's (Ladd) having a blast reading about our simple suffering, since in 

England they don't have any traditional rights left.>>



Hi,

not quite right but we are getting there. A bad week this week. Legislation 

was passed for the introduction of ID Cards. I am against them because a) 

what I do is nobody elses business, and certainly not the Governments, b) it 

has been sold as an anti terrorist measure. Do they think terrorists wont 

get a fake ID Card? Just the same pack of lies that Bush and Blair used to 

start the `oil war`. c) it is supposed to stop  people falsely drawing 

various entitlements, unemployment pay etc.,. Wanna bet?. d) the company 

which will run the computer program to back all this up has already failed 

to implement about 3 previous programs for the Government. e) it will cost 

billions and give employment to thousands just to keep every birth, death, 

address change, immigration, emmigration etc., up to date.

f) it reduces us to nothing better than some damned Frenchman or other 

European lowlife where any jumped up little `flic` can stop you in the 

street and demand `your papers`.

What did we fight the war for?



Pat

(feeling a bit chocka) 



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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:18 am Post subject: towers

you can *never* trust *any* government, >>



Shakespeare, as usual, said it.



`Put not your trust in Princes`



Cheers



Pat

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Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1669
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:45 pm Post subject: towers

Shakespeare was a Biblically literate man, and he got that from Psalms 146:3

Cheers

Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)



pat ladd wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   



  you can *never* trust *any* government, >>



 Shakespeare, as usual, said it.



 `Put not your trust in Princes`



 Cheers



 Pat

_________________
Richard Pike
Kolb MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Kingsport, TN 3TN0

Forgiving is tough, being forgiven is wonderful, and God's grace really is amazing.

flht99reh(at)netzero.net
Guest

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: towers

For all you (and me) old fogies out there. If the print is too small to read

follow the below. I couldn't believe it. I thought someone was sending me a

joke. NOT!



Really works. Don't say you didn't learn something from Ralph of Ohio.



I just found this out and thought I'd pass it on. It's very useful when 

trying to read small print (especially in the early hours). If you hold 

down the Ctrl key on your key board and then turn the small wheel in the 

middle of your mouse away from you or towards you, the print size will 

change - it will either get larger or smaller - depending on which way you 

turn the wheel 



 

 

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