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Tech Councelor - when is the right time

 
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:38 pm    Post subject: Tech Councelor - when is the right time Reply with quote

I am a first time builder. I have done quite a bit of work on my Q/B fuse kit. I got my empenage approved by a T/C. When is another visit appropriate?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:52 am    Post subject: Tech Councelor - when is the right time Reply with quote

Hi Mike,

There is not a hard and fast rule about when the inspections need to be
done, but in general, before a section is closed up, an inspection is
probably appropriate. It was good for you to have the empennage
inspected since most of the skills required to build the airplane are
developed in that section.

Since you are building a Q/B, most of the structural work has been done
at the factory. I would have the T/C look at it when you've got most of
the systems work done (fuel system, electrical system, etc.) to make
sure you haven't created a dangerous situation with potential for
chafing fuel lines or electrical wires, etc. I've just finished the
empennage kit myself and have not yet gotten into the wing or fuselage
so I don't know exactly when in the sequence you get into the systems
work - it may be that comes in the finishing kit.

It doesn't hurt to have more than three inspections during the course of
the project,so I would recommend having the T/C look at your fuselage
when you have the fiberglass work completed, particularly if your T/C
knows something about fiberglass. I'm a T/C for our chapter, but my
expertise is more in woodwork, welding and fabric work, with some
experience in sheet metal (more being gained daily). This is my first
all metal airplane and I know next to nothing about fiberglass. Bear in
mind that very few T/C's are thoroughly knowledgeable about all aspects
of aircraft construction, so be sure to ask if yours has the knowledge
to really give you help on specific areas.

Jack Phillips
#40610
Empennage Tip Fairings

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:25 am    Post subject: Tech Councelor - when is the right time Reply with quote

I tell folks, when you think about whether to have an inspection or not it
is time. Heck it is always a good time to talk airplanes with another nut,
co call your tech councilor and have a good time.

Gary
40274
The fuselage went to the paint shop yesterday

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:35 am    Post subject: Tech Councelor - when is the right time Reply with quote

I've been installing systems (wiring, brakes, fuel, control system,
strobe power) in the QB fuse for a few months. I plan for a formal TC
inspection before closing and riveting the baggage floor in place.

In watching my TC, he'll come by any time to advise but a formal
inspection involves paperwork and a thorough inspection.

Bill "finishing Andair valve, moving to control system" Watson
40605
Durham NC
AirMike wrote:
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I am a first time builder. I have done quite a bit of work on my Q/B fuse kit. I got my empenage approved by a T/C. When is another visit appropriate?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:24 am    Post subject: Tech Councelor - when is the right time Reply with quote

In watching my TC, he'll come by any time to advise but a formal inspection
involves paperwork and a thorough inspection.

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Not sure I understand. My TC came by, looked at the Empennage made some
comments, took out a sheet he sends to the EAA to maintain his TC status and
filled out " Reviewed RV-10 empennage, all work is satisfactory no problems
found"
We talked a little about the RV-10, about how I should squeeze the rivets a
little more (which my gauge would disagree with! )but otherwise seemed like
little other work for him. I am not saying this in a bad way he offered
great suggestions and I appreciated the visit and time he took to come by.

I can only think your TC believes he needs to do a thorough inspection, but
my understanding is they are just there to answer any questions and assure
they provide some guidance, not be an A&P and certify anything formally.

My next TC will be the same person who happens to be a DAR and knows the
RV's very well. Getting him has been tough but I want him to come by and
review the work now versus later when I go for the final inspection,
otherwise getting fellow builders has done the same for me than the TC..
which is what it sounds like your TC is doing. I don't even know how
important that form is anyway.. For my DAR it is "suggested to show that a
TC and/or other RV builders reviewed work and that I mention it somewhere in
a log".

Pascal
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:05 am    Post subject: Tech Councelor - when is the right time Reply with quote

I think we're talking about the same thing. I may be overstating the
'thorough' part. I was just trying to distinquish between asking him
question about a specific issue and doing a 'review'. Both he and I
want a review before I button up the floor, but I'll probably see him
several times in the interim.

Overstatement on my part.

Pascal wrote:
[quote]

In watching my TC, he'll come by any time to advise but a formal
inspection involves paperwork and a thorough inspection.

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Not sure I understand. My TC came by, looked at the Empennage made
some comments, took out a sheet he sends to the EAA to maintain his TC
status and filled out " Reviewed RV-10 empennage, all work is
satisfactory no problems found"
We talked a little about the RV-10, about how I should squeeze the
rivets a little more (which my gauge would disagree with! )but
otherwise seemed like little other work for him. I am not saying this
in a bad way he offered great suggestions and I appreciated the visit
and time he took to come by.

I can only think your TC believes he needs to do a thorough
inspection, but my understanding is they are just there to answer any
questions and assure they provide some guidance, not be an A&P and
certify anything formally.

My next TC will be the same person who happens to be a DAR and knows
the RV's very well. Getting him has been tough but I want him to come
by and review the work now versus later when I go for the final
inspection, otherwise getting fellow builders has done the same for me
than the TC.. which is what it sounds like your TC is doing. I don't
even know how important that form is anyway.. For my DAR it is
"suggested to show that a TC and/or other RV builders reviewed work
and that I mention it somewhere in a log".

Pascal
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:24 pm    Post subject: Tech Councelor - when is the right time Reply with quote

I asked my TC about this and his reponse was that he was a volunteer, and he
was there to offer any advice I might need, and to "get another set of eyes"
on the project and perhaps point out some problems he might see.

A TC is not an "inspector" like a DAR is, but more like your friendly
neighborhood builder that is more experience than I am. A TC visit(s) is not
required (although I would recommend it).

The forms he fills out are not for our planes, but for him to maintain his
status as a TC with EAA.

Jeff Dalton
Wings

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:26 pm    Post subject: Tech Councelor - when is the right time Reply with quote

The purpose for the paperwork is so that the EAA has a documented record to track trends and quality of build progress and the work of their EAA members. Some TCs may make brief and vague comments many are more thorough. I do not see a value in generic phrases just to meet my quota (of two per year). This year it has been six with two scheduled in the next two weeks. We are volunteers because we agreed not to charge a fee.

Quality of build, safety and security of hardware, potential areas of known issue and a personal perspective from "Walking the Walk" are the desired outcome from TC visits. They serve a positive purpose for the EAA, the builder and for the community.

I have seen some really good work which I think this web has helped to elevate. Those who think the DAR is going to complete an extensive "Inspection" may be dishearted at its conclusion only to be balanced by the thrill of the "Pushing of Paperwork for the FAA".

- In Boston for the weekend

John Cox
TC only while conducting the progressives. Otherwise its just another builder with an A&P with I/A who does it for a living and loves RV-10s

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:12 pm    Post subject: Tech Councelor - when is the right time Reply with quote

At first I can honestly say I was a little intimidated at the idea of a
tech counselor going over my project and offering constructive
criticism. In fact, just the opposite happened. I found that they
offer invaluable advise that has saved me time and money on my project!
I made countless decisions based upon their past experience. This was
especially important to me being a first time builder.

Find one (or two) and get them involved ASAP...you'll be glad you did.

(And a special thanks to my T.C.'s Mr. Cartwright and Mr. Masys for
their time!)

Brian Sutherland
Nashville, TN

Finishing!
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AirMike wrote:
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I am a first time builder. I have done quite a bit of work on my Q/B fuse kit. I got my empenage approved by a T/C. When is another visit appropriate?

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