Matronics Email Lists Forum Index Matronics Email Lists
Web Forum Interface to the Matronics Email Lists
 
 Get Email Distribution Too!Get Email Distribution Too!    FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Re: what is an engineer....

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> AeroElectric-List
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
emjones(at)charter.net
Guest





PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: what is an engineer.... Reply with quote


The difference between Surgeons and Butchers is that Butchers recently discovered three new steaks: Shoulder (or Petite) Tender, Ranch Cut Steaks, and Flat Iron Steaks. This is technology right up there with integrated circuits as far as I'm concerned.
My dad was a non-degreed engineer who was right up there with the best, but was sensitive all his days regarding the lack of a formal education. I know this caused him some pain when wet-behind-the-engineers kids were hired at a salary above his...company policy you know. But the real brains were in awe of his talents. As a result he had a part in many of the major technological projects of his time.
When I went to grade school I was taught to write with steel-tipped pens dipped into inkwells. In college there were no pocket calculators, personal computers were but a dream. The internet was decades from existing. The methods of acquiring and using information changed radically. One could now toss grenades in most town libraries with no fear of harming anyone. The time of bricks and mortar education is nearing the end.
If I were asked what a bright technically sophisticated young person should study in school, I would have to side with Thom Friedman--study what good teachers are teaching, what really engages other students--it doesn't matter at all what the subject is.
Certificates and diplomas are part of the "English Disease", that a Gentleman should not work with his hands. Having initials after your name certificated you to a life free of digging in the soil. This is a peculiar Anglo-American notion not shared by the Germans and Russians and Chinese.
Small story--I recently fought a LIDAR speeding ticket. In my letter to the court, I added some random and mysterious initials after my name "SDQ3". I did this because I was wondering if the initials would make the court think I was someone special. If challenged I would say they were just meaningless typos, and apologize. It is beyond the scope of this note to describe the procedings, but I beat the ticket. (Details offlist if you are faced with a similar situation).
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
(508) 764-2072
" I would have made a good Pope."
-- Richard M. Nixon (1913-1994)


- The Matronics AeroElectric-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
Back to top
fvalarm(at)rapidnet.net
Guest





PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: what is an engineer.... Reply with quote


Sounds like wonderfully entertaining reading. Please continue...
Bevan
fvalarm(at)rapidnet.net


- The Matronics AeroElectric-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
Back to top
s_s_and(at)hotmail.com
Guest





PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:30 am    Post subject: Re: what is an engineer.... Reply with quote


I have an engineering degree and am a PE. However my degree is in
geophysical engineering, which is very rare. I generally deal with
geologists but seldom geological or geophysical engineers. The difference is
striking as engineers are taught to think in a disiplined way. For better or
for worse. Touched upon in the discussion is sometimes undisiplined "off the
wall" ideas have great value.
Having received my engineers degree 30 years ago, most if not all I learned
in college is obsolete. What I have observed is in today's high speed
economy and knowledge based world it is the entreprenuer that wins the day.
Engineers that are narrow minded, dogmatic, have no people skills are doomed
to fail or at least never live up to their true capacity. On the other hand,
observant ambitious driven talented people can contribute greatly to the
cause.
My cause is building a plane in my garage. Bob is a great source if
information. Some of it very good, some of it not applicable to my project.
I believe that we all must keep in mind that individuals get on the web and
talk about a subject where their experience is based on building one plane.
When I attended Alexander's building school in Griffin, I met Mike and jacob
who had helped many individuals construct many planes. Mike told me with a
great degree of experience to beware of opiniions based on a limited amount
of experience.
The bottom line is Bob's or GMC's info have some value. I disagree with
GMC's way of displaying his opinion. I knew he was an engineer for his lack
of people skills, an engineer's trademark. Good info displayed in a pompous
arrogant way does not really help the cause (building homebuilt planes).
Thankfully people like Dan C, Sam B, Dave D. Gary N etc are not only great
sources but do it with the knowledge that their are people behind the
technobox. That is why for the most part, this has been a great process.
Thankfully we all have a delete key and I use it with inpunity.
Quote:
From: "Eric M. Jones" <emjones(at)charter.net>
Reply-To: aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com
To: <aeroelectric-list(at)matronics.com>
Subject: AeroElectric-List: Re: what is an engineer.... Date: Thu, 5 Jan
2006 23:20:29 -0500
<emjones(at)charter.net>
The difference between Surgeons and Butchers is that Butchers recently
discovered three new steaks: Shoulder (or Petite) Tender, Ranch Cut Steaks,
and Flat Iron Steaks. This is technology right up there with integrated
circuits as far as I'm concerned.
My dad was a non-degreed engineer who was right up there with the best, but
was sensitive all his days regarding the lack of a formal education. I know
this caused him some pain when wet-behind-the-engineers kids were hired at
a salary above his...company policy you know. But the real brains were in
awe of his talents. As a result he had a part in many of the major
technological projects of his time.
When I went to grade school I was taught to write with steel-tipped pens
dipped into inkwells. In college there were no pocket calculators, personal
computers were but a dream. The internet was decades from existing. The
methods of acquiring and using information changed radically. One could now
toss grenades in most town libraries with no fear of harming anyone. The
time of bricks and mortar education is nearing the end.
If I were asked what a bright technically sophisticated young person should
study in school, I would have to side with Thom Friedman--study what good
teachers are teaching, what really engages other students--it doesn't
matter at all what the subject is.
Certificates and diplomas are part of the "English Disease", that a
Gentleman should not work with his hands. Having initials after your name
certificated you to a life free of digging in the soil. This is a peculiar
Anglo-American notion not shared by the Germans and Russians and Chinese.
Small story--I recently fought a LIDAR speeding ticket. In my letter to the
court, I added some random and mysterious initials after my name "SDQ3". I
did this because I was wondering if the initials would make the court think
I was someone special. If challenged I would say they were just meaningless
typos, and apologize. It is beyond the scope of this note to describe the
procedings, but I beat the ticket. (Details offlist if you are faced with a
similar situation).
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
(508) 764-2072
" I would have made a good Pope."
-- Richard M. Nixon (1913-1994)


- The Matronics AeroElectric-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
Back to top
BigD(at)DaveMorris.com
Guest





PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: what is an engineer.... Reply with quote


DO NOT ARCHIVE
A degree or certification or license gets you in the door, and may get you
paid a higher salary. But it won't keep you there.
And you're wrong about Germany. They have more initials after their names
than you can imagine. And those who are able (and worthy) of being named
things like
Prof. Dr. Dr. Firstname Middlename Lastname-Hyphen-NobilityName Dipl. Ing.
never touch dirt.
Smile
Dave Morris
At 10:20 PM 1/5/2006, you wrote:
The difference between Surgeons and Butchers is that Butchers recently
discovered three new steaks: Shoulder (or Petite) Tender, Ranch Cut
Steaks, and Flat Iron Steaks. This is technology right up there with
integrated circuits as far as I'm concerned.
My dad was a non-degreed engineer who was right up there with the best,
but was sensitive all his days regarding the lack of a formal education. I
know this caused him some pain when wet-behind-the-engineers kids were
hired at a salary above his...company policy you know. But the real brains
were in awe of his talents. As a result he had a part in many of the major
technological projects of his time.
When I went to grade school I was taught to write with steel-tipped pens
dipped into inkwells. In college there were no pocket calculators,
personal computers were but a dream. The internet was decades from
existing. The methods of acquiring and using information changed
radically. One could now toss grenades in most town libraries with no fear
of harming anyone. The time of bricks and mortar education is nearing the end.
If I were asked what a bright technically sophisticated young person
should study in school, I would have to side with Thom Friedman--study
what good teachers are teaching, what really engages other students--it
doesn't matter at all what the subject is.
Certificates and diplomas are part of the "English Disease", that a
Gentleman should not work with his hands. Having initials after your name
certificated you to a life free of digging in the soil. This is a peculiar
Anglo-American notion not shared by the Germans and Russians and Chinese.
Small story--I recently fought a LIDAR speeding ticket. In my letter to
the court, I added some random and mysterious initials after my name
"SDQ3". I did this because I was wondering if the initials would make the
court think I was someone special. If challenged I would say they were
just meaningless typos, and apologize. It is beyond the scope of this note
to describe the procedings, but I beat the ticket. (Details offlist if you
are faced with a similar situation).
Regards,
Eric M. Jones
www.PerihelionDesign.com
113 Brentwood Drive
Southbridge MA 01550-2705
(508) 764-2072
" I would have made a good Pope."
-- Richard M. Nixon (1913-1994)


- The Matronics AeroElectric-List Email Forum -
 

Use the List Feature Navigator to browse the many List utilities available such as the Email Subscriptions page, Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, Photoshare, and much more:

http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?AeroElectric-List
Back to top
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Matronics Email Lists Forum Index -> AeroElectric-List All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You cannot attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group