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Jerry Cochran
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Location: Wilsonville, OR
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 Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: Honda Piston Engine |
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Great question. I suspect with the best engineering team in the world, they couldn't get the weight with all the cooling apparatus down enough. Or, they'd have to get $50K for it. Would be good to know, for sure. After all, Honda is now manufacturing complete jet aircraft, race engines, all kinds of auto engines, motorcycles, scooters, lawn mowers, etc... Any Honda engineers out there? Pls tell us!!!
Jerry
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From: "mike humphrey" <mike109g6(at)insideconnect.net>
Subject: Re: Subaru down
Whatever happened to the Honda piston A/C engine? I bet that if they were
to manufacture it, that they'd have lines of people at the door. Most would
be Lyco owners. I'd be one of the first.
Mike H
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: Honda Piston Engine |
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On 9:23 2008-03-06 Jerry2DT(at)aol.com wrote:
| Quote: | Great question. I suspect with the best engineering team in the
world, they couldn't get the weight with all the cooling apparatus
down enough. Or, they'd have to get $50K for it. Would be good to
know, for sure. After all, Honda is now manufacturing complete jet
aircraft, race engines, all kinds of auto engines, motorcycles,
scooters, lawn mowers, etc... Any Honda engineers out there? Pls
tell us!!!
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I suspect it's even simpler than that. I recall that the engine was built,
and flying, on a test aircraft, wasn't it? So they were clearly able to
surpass any technical hurdles.
No, I suspect the real problem was the business side of the equation. The
sales volume just isn't there to support Honda building aircraft engines.
The market is too fragmented, and us down at the 200HP and lower range are
probably not the market to target if you're looking for high volume and
profitable returns. Homebuilders are a notoriously thrifty group.
And really, a new Honda powerplant would also be "unproven", and carry with
it many, if not all, of the same risks as a current popular automotive
conversion. How do you justify choosing a Honda engine over a Rotary
conversion?
-Rob
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Terry Watson
Joined: 09 Jan 2006
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Location: Seattle, WA USA
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: Honda Piston Engine |
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I thought I remembered the Jabaru engine as having Honda pistons, but either my memory is wrong or they changed to General Motors pistons. Here is a link to the 180 hp 8 cylinder version, which according to them has firewall forward packages for side by side RV’s. Now if they would just do a 12 cylinder version maybe we could sound like a Rolls Royce Merlin, and go like a Mustang with 270 hp out front.
http://www.jabiru.net.au/
Terry
RV-8A w/ Superior XP-360
Wiring
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry2DT(at)aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:23 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Honda Piston Engine
Great question. I suspect with the best engineering team in the world, they couldn't get the weight with all the cooling apparatus down enough. Or, they'd have to get $50K for it. Would be good to know, for sure. After all, Honda is now manufacturing complete jet aircraft, race engines, all kinds of auto engines, motorcycles, scooters, lawn mowers, etc... Any Honda engineers out there? Pls tell us!!!
Jerry
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From: "mike humphrey" <mike109g6(at)insideconnect.net>
Subject: Re: Subaru down
Whatever happened to the Honda piston A/C engine? I bet that if they were
to manufacture it, that they'd have lines of people at the door. Most would
be Lyco owners. I'd be one of the first.
Mike H
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garrys(at)tampabay.rr.com
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: Honda Piston Engine |
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I am 99% certain that Jabiru stopped development on their 8 cylinder engine, over one year ago. I'm told that there is a long waiting list for their 4 and 6 cylinder engines so they have concentrated on ramping up production on those. The 8 cylinder engine is on the back burner for now. None have ever been shipped to my knowledge.
Garry Stout
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Terry Watson
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: Honda Piston Engine |
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Yes, I thought that they gave up on it too, but the web site which was updated last month seems to say otherwise.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 11:38 AM
To: rv-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Honda Piston Engine
I am 99% certain that Jabiru stopped development on their 8 cylinder engine, over one year ago. I'm told that there is a long waiting list for their 4 and 6 cylinder engines so they have concentrated on ramping up production on those. The 8 cylinder engine is on the back burner for now. None have ever been shipped to my knowledge.
Garry Stout
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bifft(at)xmission.com
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: Honda Piston Engine |
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bifft(at)xmission.com
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: Honda Piston Engine |
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On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Brian Huffaker wrote:
sorry, sent to the wrong address.
Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft(at)xmission.com)
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mike109g6(at)insideconnec
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:27 am Post subject: Honda Piston Engine |
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Then why did Honda buy 53% of Continental stock? I believe that is the last
% that I saw. According to Honda's own press release they were going to use
the Continental as their springboard. The release of the 'Honda engine' was
going to be in three phases: 1. conventional engine based on the Continental
but with Honda manufacturing techniques, ie improved metals, air cooling,
etc. 2. was to be still Continental based but with EFI, EI, better pistons,
higher TBO, 3. was to be 'The Honda Engine', flat 4 and 6, all the above
improvements, even better manufacturing techniques-more like auto engines,
and the biggie, water cooled, and VERY extended TBO, no more air cooled
engines, improved cabin heating ability, no CO threat at all, noise
reduction, interchangeable auto parts right off of the shelf. Doesn't that
sound like exactly what all of us want and have complained about Lyco's
forever? They anticipated the TBO to be in excess of 10k hrs. Instead they
go after an even smaller market - The Honda Jet.
Mike H 9A/8A
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:31 am Post subject: Honda Piston Engine |
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Forgot to add that they were planning on releasing both certified and
experimental versions of the 'Honda engine'. Wonder if that's what made
Lycoming FINALLY realize that it was missing the boat with only producing
certified engines?
Mike H
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