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Sbennett3(at)aol.com
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:04 am Post subject: 6" gear extension

I was taught in a short field to 3 point take off, level off  in ground effect to increase speed, then up and out. As far as landing, 3  pointing it is not my preferred landing.  I like to main wheel land it as  it gives me more control before the tail comes down. I don't land in short  fields.  Steve Bennett



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wingnut

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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: Re: 6

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		  I was taught in a short field to 3 point take off, level off in ground effect to increase speed, then up and out. 	




This is what I was taught for soft field procedures. As I was taught, for this situation you want to be producing as much lift as you can as early as possible. Consequently, you get off the ground before the airplane can fly safely outside of ground effect. This is why you have to level out and increase speed before you can safely exit ground effect. Is it possible that you got the two confused?

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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: 6" gear extension

Luis, My mistake...  Short field, both brakes, full  throttle... 



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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: 6

What about Flapperon usage ? 



You want to get weight from wheels to wings , then flapperon deployment will certainly help you.

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Float Flyr

Joined: 19 Jul 2006
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: 6" gear extension

Interesting Dave there is a very similar thread running on the Avid list.



I have yet to pull the flaps while on step... Usually around that time I'm

too busy getting into the air without introducing another variable.



Good news... John Mc Bean told me the model IV mount should fit my plane...

The mount should be on its way any day!  Now all I have to contend with is

stator plate (AD)... Looks like a new oil pump (another AD) has been

installed.



Noel



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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: 6" gear extension

Dave:   

   

All you need are wheels 36' any way you want to measure them J...  

   

Noel  

   

   

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dave

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:03 am Post subject: Re: 6

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		  I have yet to pull the flaps while on step... Usually around that time I'm 

too busy getting into the air without introducing another variable. 	




Noel, The KF  1,2 and 3  had less of flapperon effect being limited to around 15 degrees or so.  The Model IV like mine will go past 30 degrees down although some limit theirs to 20 degrees.   I will use 30 Degree + ( full)  for short, soft and glassy water takeoffs.   I will start with usually zero to 20 degree ees and pull full flaps to break the suction.  This is quite simular to a C 180 and used by many to get the weight from gear to wings as quickly as possible.  On Landing  over 20 degrees has little or no effect in shortening landing or reducing stall speed. 



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Float Flyr

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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: 6" gear extension

I haven't had any problem getting un-stuck since I swapped out the tach.

Before that getting off the water was ... shall I say interesting.  I would

pop her off one float at a time and when it finally broke the second float

free it would be in a pretty nose high attitude and the acceleration was

quite noticible.  I figured I was actually using around 45 HP.



Landing is a bit different.  If I let the plane run out with a slightly nose

high attitude the run out is quite short.  If however I pull full back on

the stick in the run out the plane starts reverse porpoiseing ( nose up to

nose level ) and I think actually takes longer to drop off step.



I doubt the new 912 will get me of the water any faster but I'm expecting to

improve my climb ability once airborne.  As it is with the 582 there is

almost no step time between throttle and flight.  It's some time now since I

had to roll it into the air.



Noel 



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