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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: Oil Filter

I discovered that the 90 degree oil filter adapter will not fit with the B&C 20 Amp back-up alternator installed on the vacuum pump pad. I talked with Casper Labs and they confirmed that this is a combination they have been unable to make fit.



Does anybody with the B&C SD-20 mounted on the vacuum pad have the remote firewall oil filter kit installed? I want to make sure that will fit before I order the kit.



If anybody is interested in buying my Casper Labs 90 degree mount with the 1.5 inch spacer, contact me offline.

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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

pitts_pilot(at)bellsouth.
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: Oil Filter

MAPA has a remote mount oil filter and the filters if you want to go 

that route.  I put it in series with my oil cooler on my Pitts.

Linn

do not arcdhive



dmaib(at)mac.com wrote:

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 I discovered that the 90 degree oil filter adapter will not fit with the B&C 20 Amp back-up alternator installed on the vacuum pump pad. I talked with Casper Labs and they confirmed that this is a combination they have been unable to make fit.



 Does anybody with the B&C SD-20 mounted on the vacuum pad have the remote firewall oil filter kit installed? I want to make sure that will fit before I order the kit.



 If anybody is interested in buying my Casper Labs 90 degree mount with the 1.5 inch spacer, contact me offline.



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 David Maib

 RV-10 #40559





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197558#197558

bcondrey

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 580

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: Oil Filter

You can get a spacer and replacement shear coupling for the alternator from BandC that will allow them to coexist fine.  Talk to Bill and he'll know exactly what you need.



Bob

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seipel(at)seznam.cz
Guest

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: Oil Filter

I have the AirWolf remote oil and the B&C SD-20 and they work together 

fine.



PJ Seipel

RV-10 #40032



dmaib(at)mac.com wrote:

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 I discovered that the 90 degree oil filter adapter will not fit with the B&C 20 Amp back-up alternator installed on the vacuum pump pad. I talked with Casper Labs and they confirmed that this is a combination they have been unable to make fit.



 Does anybody with the B&C SD-20 mounted on the vacuum pad have the remote firewall oil filter kit installed? I want to make sure that will fit before I order the kit.



 If anybody is interested in buying my Casper Labs 90 degree mount with the 1.5 inch spacer, contact me offline.



 --------

 David Maib

 RV-10 #40559





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197558#197558

dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: Oil Filter

Thanks Bob, I will call B&C first thing Monday AM.



David Maib

40559



On Aug 9, 2008, at 4:38 PM, Condrey, Bob (US SSA) wrote:


<bob.condrey(at)baesystems.com>



You can get a spacer and replacement shear coupling for the  

alternator from BandC that will allow them to coexist fine.  Talk to  

Bill and he'll know exactly what you need.



Bob

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David Maib
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New Smyrna Beach, FL

partner14

Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Posts: 540
Location: Granbury Texas

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: Oil Filter

I was still very new to this whole process when I ran into the same problem....  after not receiving much from anyone, I got on the milling machine and fabricated my own.... I know that's not much help.... but in case my doesn't work, let me know what you find out.

 Don McDonald

 #40636   

 Finshing the finishing.



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		  From: dmaib(at)mac.com <dmaib(at)mac.com>

Subject: Oil Filter

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 2:17 PM



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<dmaib(at)mac.com>



I discovered that the 90 degree oil filter adapter will not fit with the

B&C 20 Amp back-up alternator installed on the vacuum pump pad. I talked

with Casper Labs and they confirmed that this is a combination they have been

unable to make fit.



Does anybody with the B&C SD-20 mounted on the vacuum pad have the remote

firewall oil filter kit installed? I want to make sure that will fit before I

order the kit.



If anybody is interested in buying my Casper Labs 90 degree mount with the 1.5

inch spacer, contact me offline.



--------

David Maib

RV-10 #40559





Read this topic online here:



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Don A. McDonald
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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: Oil Filter

Thanks Don. When I talked to Casper Labs, they suggested that milling the spacer to a custom size might work. I will let you know what I find out from B&C.



David Maib



On Aug 9, 2008, at 9:17 PM, Don McDonald wrote:I was still very new to this whole process when I ran into the same problem....  after not receiving much from anyone, I got on the milling machine and fabricated my own.... I know that's not much help.... but in case my doesn't work, let me know what you find out.

 Don McDonald

 #40636   

 Finshing the finishing.



--- On Sat, 8/9/08, dmaib(at)mac.com (dmaib(at)mac.com) <dmaib(at)mac.com (dmaib(at)mac.com)> wrote:



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Subject: Oil Filter

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Saturday, August 9, 2008, 2:17 PM



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<dmaib(at)mac.com>



I discovered that the 90 degree oil filter adapter will not fit with the

B&C 20 Amp back-up alternator installed on the vacuum pump pad. I talked

with Casper Labs and they confirmed that this is a combination they have been

unable to make fit.



Does anybody with the B&C SD-20 mounted on the vacuum pad have the remote

firewall oil filter kit installed? I want to make sure that will fit before I

order the kit.



If anybody is interested in buying my Casper Labs 90 degree mount with the 1.5

inch spacer, contact me offline.



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David Maib

RV-10 #40559





Read this topic online here:



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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 6:35 pm Post subject: Oil Filter

Thanks PJ. If B&C cannot help me, I think I will go the AirWolf  

route. May just do that anyway.



David Maib



do not archive



On Aug 9, 2008, at 6:01 PM, PJ Seipel wrote:




I have the AirWolf remote oil and the B&C SD-20 and they work  

together fine.



PJ Seipel

RV-10 #40032



dmaib(at)mac.com wrote:

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 I discovered that the 90 degree oil filter adapter will not fit  

 with the B&C 20 Amp back-up alternator installed on the vacuum pump  

 pad. I talked with Casper Labs and they confirmed that this is a  

 combination they have been unable to make fit.



 Does anybody with the B&C SD-20 mounted on the vacuum pad have the  

 remote firewall oil filter kit installed? I want to make sure that  

 will fit before I order the kit.



 If anybody is interested in buying my Casper Labs 90 degree mount  

 with the 1.5 inch spacer, contact me offline.



 --------

 David Maib

 RV-10 #40559





 Read this topic online here:



 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197558#197558

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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

bcondrey

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 580

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Oil Filter

There are several RV-10 folks with the B&C angled oil filter adapter and SD-20 combo.  Specific problem is that the oil filter adapter requires a spacer to provide clearance from the engine mount.  When that is done the filter adapter interferes with the body of the SD-20 alternator.  B&C has a package "kit" for that situation.  The kit includes replacement studs for the vacuum pad, a spacer for the SD-20, 2 gaskets and a replacement shear coupling for the SD-20.  It's a bit of a pain when the engine is already installed but pretty easy if not yet hung. 



I'm very happy with my install of the above but frankly if I was doing it again, I'd look hard at a remote oil filter instead.  While the angled filter gives you better access than the stock setup, the remote filter would be a HUGE leap forward.  You add complexity, fittings, hoses, weight, etc. with the remote solution but in the end I suspect the price is about the same (angled oil filter adapter + SD-20 spacer kit together about equal to a remote solution) and access would be even better.  There is a lot of space available on the lower right portion of the firewall for a remote oil filter mount.



Bob

N442PM

MauleDriver(at)nc.rr.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:48 am Post subject: Oil Filter

Bob, I know we had this conversation at the show.  I will be installing 

the SD-20 and understand that the stock oil filter mount probably 

works.  But most people seem intent on replacing the stock mount with a 

90degree bracket or remote bracket.



Can any of you flyers with the stock mount comment on the servicability 

of the stock location and the desirability of an alternative?



BTW, those of you preparing to discuss this with B&C - I talked to Bill 

during the show about the problem with the SD-20 and the 90degree 

mount.  He professed total ignorance of the problem (?).  My guess is 

that I wasn't precise enough in describing  the conflict... but you'd 

think he'd know what I was trying to talk about since they are both his 

products.  Be prepared for initial denial. 



Thanks for the insight here Bob.



Bill "with dozens of 4.25" wide instruments dancing in his head" Watson



bcondrey wrote:

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 There are several RV-10 folks with the B&C angled oil filter adapter and SD-20 combo.  Specific problem is that the oil filter adapter requires a spacer to provide clearance from the engine mount.  When that is done the filter adapter interferes with the body of the SD-20 alternator.  B&C has a package "kit" for that situation.  The kit includes replacement studs for the vacuum pad, a spacer for the SD-20, 2 gaskets and a replacement shear coupling for the SD-20.  It's a bit of a pain when the engine is already installed but pretty easy if not yet hung. 



 I'm very happy with my install of the above but frankly if I was doing it again, I'd look hard at a remote oil filter instead.  While the angled filter gives you better access than the stock setup, the remote filter would be a HUGE leap forward.  You add complexity, fittings, hoses, weight, etc. with the remote solution but in the end I suspect the price is about the same (angled oil filter adapter + SD-20 spacer kit together about equal to a remote solution) and access would be even better.  There is a lot of space available on the lower right portion of the firewall for a remote oil filter mount.



 Bob

 N442PM

bcondrey

Joined: 03 Apr 2006
Posts: 580

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:58 am Post subject: Re: Oil Filter

Don't know what the magic words are (maybe IO-540 instead of RV-10) but a Colorado Springs RV-10 builder friend of mine just got the SD-20 spacer stuff from them about a month ago.



Bob

Dave(at)AirCraftersLLC.co
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:21 pm Post subject: Oil Filter

Bill,



Having done hundreds of oil changes in the last 25 years, I can tell you

that if keeping the engine clean is important to you, you want the 90 degree

adapter. That's what I have.  The remote firewall mounted unit would do an

even better job but I skipped it for cost and weight considerations.  Also,

I don't have anything on the vac drive pad.



Dave Saylor

AirCrafters LLC

140 Aviation Way

Watsonville, CA 

831-722-9141

831-750-0284 CL

www.AirCraftersLLC.com

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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: Oil Filter

I know I have posted this in the past but note that Mattituck TMX engines come standard with a 2.5" spacer with the included angle oil filter adapter.  I've seen installations of the SD-20 on these engines with no interference.  Mattituck offers this separately for $282.  You may want to go with the Mattituck 90 degree adapter rather than the B&C adapter since it eliminates the interference issues and is less expensive.  The Mattituck version is PMA'd/STC for $282 where as the uncertified B&C version is $395 + $53 for the 2.5" spacer.



http://mattituck.com/oil%20filter%20adapter%20add.pdf



William

http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ 



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dmaib@me.com

Joined: 25 Apr 2006
Posts: 455
Location: New Smyrna Beach, Florida

Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:56 pm Post subject: Oil Filter

I spent the weekend studying this on my engine and have come to the  

conclusion that I am going to go with the remote oil filter. There is  

plenty of room on the lower right firewall, as Bob notes, and a  

little extra weight up front might not be such a bad thing for me  

since I have the air conditioner in the tailcone. I also know from  

experience on the old Bonanza I used to own in a partnership, the  

remote mount makes oil and filter changes a breeze.



David Maib

40559



do not archive



On Aug 10, 2008, at 11:18 AM, bcondrey wrote:




There are several RV-10 folks with the B&C angled oil filter adapter  

and SD-20 combo.  Specific problem is that the oil filter adapter  

requires a spacer to provide clearance from the engine mount.  When  

that is done the filter adapter interferes with the body of the SD-20  

alternator.  B&C has a package "kit" for that situation.  The kit  

includes replacement studs for the vacuum pad, a spacer for the  

SD-20, 2 gaskets and a replacement shear coupling for the SD-20.   

It's a bit of a pain when the engine is already installed but pretty  

easy if not yet hung.



I'm very happy with my install of the above but frankly if I was  

doing it again, I'd look hard at a remote oil filter instead.  While  

the angled filter gives you better access than the stock setup, the  

remote filter would be a HUGE leap forward.  You add complexity,  

fittings, hoses, weight, etc. with the remote solution but in the end  

I suspect the price is about the same (angled oil filter adapter +  

SD-20 spacer kit together about equal to a remote solution) and  

access would be even better.  There is a lot of space available on  

the lower right portion of the firewall for a remote oil filter mount.



Bob

N442PM





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David Maib
RV-10 #40559
New Smyrna Beach, FL

hotwheels

Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Posts: 240

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Oil Filter

Here's the info... I installed both Oil Filter Adapter and SD-20.

Jay



<snip>



You will need the 1.4" spacer kit (FK502-1.4) $50.00 for the OFA and the

.75" spacer kit (FK710-.75) $90.00 for the SD-20. 



Greg Jones

B&C Specialty Products, Inc.

123 East 4th Street

POB B

Newton, Kansas  67114  USA

Phone  (316) 283-8000

Fax      (316) 283-7400

www.bandc.biz

wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 11:06 am Post subject: Oil Filter

I don't get it--you move the oil filter back 1.4 inches and then move the alternator back 0.75 of that 1.4 inches?



And after speding $700 on the SD-20 you also need to spend $90 on the 3/4" spacer for it?  Do you still need the 3/4" spacer for the SD-20 with a 2.5" oil filter spacer?



Got any pictures of your install?  I'm holding out hope that Plane Power will come out with a vacuum pad alternator.  I haven't decided if I will have a second alternator initally.



William

http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ 



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wcurtis(at)nerv10.com
Guest

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: Oil Filter

Jay,



Looking at your pictures below, it seems that the SD-20 would clear the oil filter adapter without the 3/4" spacer.  Did you try the fit of the SD-20 without the 3/4" spacer?



http://www.brinkmeyers.net/Photos/Aircraft/Engine/images/hpim0066.jpg



http://www.brinkmeyers.net/Photos/Aircraft/Engine/images/hpim0078.jpg



Also in the picture below you have two solenoids on your firewall.  One looks like the starter and the other looks like a--master?  Do you have the cable from your battery in the rear "always hot" to the firewall mounted master or is this for something else?



http://www.brinkmeyers.net/Photos/Aircraft/Engine/images/hpim0086.jpg

William

http://nerv10.com/wcurtis/ 



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hotwheels

Joined: 01 Jun 2007
Posts: 240

Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Filter

Looking at your pictures below, it seems that the SD-20 would clear the oil filter adapter without the 3/4" spacer. Did you try the fit of the SD-20 without the 3/4" spacer?



>>> The spacer is needed. Nope, it's not cheap (can you say airplane?).



Also in the picture below you have two solenoids on your firewall. One looks like the starter and the other looks like a--master?



>>> The S701-2 XFeed contactor is just to the left of the S702-1 starter contactor in the photo (see attached pdf schematic).



 Do you have the cable from your battery in the rear "always hot" to the firewall mounted master or is this for something else?



>>> Wires to the Xfeed contactor are only hot if the associated battery contactor is engaged thus allowing connection to the battery.

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