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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:05 pm Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

After getting a lot of input from the Matronics board, and talking off 

line to several people. I made my engine choice  and today I placed my 

order with Allen Barrett of BPA Engines http://www.bpaengines.com/ . The 

timing of my decision was based on the price increase for the overhaul 

kits from Lycoming in 1 or 2 days. I already saw one price increase and 

want to avoid another. BPA is a  respected engine builder they use the 

kit from Lycoming, similar to Aero Sport and Mattituck, only they do 

some extras eg. porting and flow matching, custom paint, dynamically 

balancing the rotating parts to a much stricter tolerance than others. 

(Others will do this but for extra fees).Then they do something unique, 

they run your engine on their dyno for 1 1/2 hours with a minute by 

minute printout that you get. Their attitude is that they believe this 

is the only way to build an engine and they won't build  it otherwise. 

 they'd rather let business go to other shops than build to a lower 

standard. I think that speaks tons to the mindset and attitude/culture 

that governs the way they operate. They also do Kirby Chamblis, and 

Patty Wagstaff's engines as well.  Allen Barrett made a personal call to 

me to answer all of my questions and was extremely professional. As one 

person said "picking an engine is a painful experience" and each 

individual decision is governed by what is most important to that 

person. In this case BPA met my criteria and I'm happy with the 

decision. Thanks again to all who contributed knowledge and information 

to this process



Deems Davis # 406

Fuse

http://deemsrv10.com/

rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

  I too am in the process of finalizing my engine purchase with BPA.  Allen is a great guy and very knowledgeable when it comes to these engines.  I have no doubt he will build me a top notch engine that he can stand behind.

 

  I know Aerosport is popular  ,and plenty of people love their Aerosport engine, but I can't see sending  my money out of the country when I can send it 300 or so miles away and support a local business that isn't any more expensive.  Not to mention the possible import duties and dealing internationally if there is a dispute.

 

 

 Michael Sausen

 RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

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n2faith2(at)cs.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 5:02 pm Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

I've been helped by a number of posts on this list and  have yet to contribute.  Here's my 2 cents..........I ordered my engine  from BPA and, Rhonda tells me, it will be dyno'd this Fri or next  Mon.  When making my decision I was particularly impressed with Allens'  response to my questions and, what I perceived as, his personal attention and  interest.  He helped me make decisions re ignition, injection and desired  hp.  I'm impressed with the way I was guided through the process and  anxiously await delivery. 

  

 Bill Stegemann

 #40423  fuse

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johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:48 pm Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

Wise Choice, great people, exceptional support.  Hearing of your prop

decision will be another milestone.



John - KUAO



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bsponcil(at)belinblank.or
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:35 am Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

So which one did you order? The "heavy hitter" or the "lightweight"?  Also, 

does their cold air induction require you to modify the cowl? Just 

curious....

-Brian



#40497

N211BD

Iowa City, IA



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Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

Brian:



If it's okay, I'd like to address the differences in the IO-540s we have

listed on our website and note that our site is in the process of some

serious changes, so more detail will be on our site soon.



The "heavy hitter" IO-540 is an angle head engine which is used in the

Extra series aircraft and some Glassair models.  The lightweight IO-540

is the parallel head version of the engine which is used in the RV-10.



Our cold air induction does require a cowl modification for the RV-10,

which is being developed and should be available sometime in the 2nd

quarter.  We have been told that the pricing for the new cowl will be

competitive with the cowl sold by Van's.  Our cold air has been used on

some Rockets with some cowling modifications as well.



Hope this helps clarify.  



Rhonda Barrett-Bewley

Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.

2870-B N> Sheridan Rd.

Tulsa, OK  74115

(918) 835-1089 phone

(918) 835-1754 fax

www.barrettprecisionengines.com 



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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

I also going the group and placed an order for my engine from BPE.  I got the light weight which is the IO-540X parallel valve engine.  I did not get the cold air induction.  I did get 9:1 compression and the chrome options.  I will decide later on my ignition option.  



It sure would be nice if the emag / pmag for a 540 was announced at sun-n-fun.



Larry Rosen



 -------------- Original message ----------------------

From: "Brian Sponcil" <bsponcil(at)belinblank.org>

[quote] 

 

 

 So which one did you order? The "heavy hitter" or the "lightweight"?  Also, 

 does their cold air induction require you to modify the cowl? Just 

 curious....

 

 

 -Brian

 

 #40497

 N211BD

 Iowa City, IA

 

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:10 am Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

 Rhonda may chime  in on this but the cold air induction will require a different cowl.  Will James is currently making a cowl that will fit this configuration in addition to his regular RV-10 cowl.  I was planning on using a James Aircraft cowl either way so if I go with the CAI it's not a big deal.  I haven't decided on that option yet and will wait until they are about ready to build it to decide.

 

 Michael Sausen

 -10 #352 Fuselage

 Do not archive

 

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BPA(at)bpaengines.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

I’ll chirp a little. Yes, the CAS will require a different cowl than the stock Van’s cowl. However, the cowl according to Will James will be very much in line with the cost of the Van’s cowl. The advantage to the CAS is ram air recovery ie increased MP.  

   

Allen Barrett  

Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.  

www.barrettprecisionengines.com  

   

   

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Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:43 am Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

 This is almost the exact same configuration I'm going with except also added are dual LSE III Ignitions and a Airflow Performance FM-200.  For those interested in the details here is the whole description:

 

 IO-540-X engine built from New Lycoming Kit No. 05J23544 with high pressure fuel pump.  9.0:1 compression pistons, AFP FM200 fuel system, new Champion spark plugs, Dual LSE III, new lightweight Skytec starter, all engine fittings and silicone rocker box cover gaskets.  All components will be dimensionally inspected to ensure that they meet New Parts Limits, the cylinders will be ported and flow matched including a three angle cut on the seat to ensure proper valve-to-seat geometry.  The engine will be painted your choice of color (you can let me know your color choice later).  The rotating assembly will be dynamically balanced.  After assembly, the engine will be run in our in house dynamometer for 1.5 hours (a copy of which will be provided to you) and foam crated for secure shipment.

 

 Just a note on the 9:1 pistons, Allen says they will not affect TBO but the 9.5:1 will.  Anyway, off to right the check.  Yikes!  

 

 Michael Sausen

 RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

 Do Not Archive

 

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jjessen(at)rcn.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:27 am Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

Let's see.  My son's senior year at college vs.  engine.........   I'm thinking; I'm thinking.

  

 John Jessen

    ~328 (overwhelmed with the thought of others  already having 200 hours on their RV-10.  Arrgh)

  

 do not archive



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder  (Michael Sausen)

Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:41 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made  my mine

 

 

 This is almost the exact same configuration I'm going with  except also added are dual LSE III Ignitions and a Airflow Performance  FM-200.  For those interested in the details here is the whole  description:



IO-540-X engine built from New Lycoming Kit No. 05J23544  with high pressure fuel pump.  9.0:1 compression pistons, AFP FM200 fuel  system, new Champion spark plugs, Dual LSE III, new lightweight Skytec starter,  all engine fittings and silicone rocker box cover gaskets.  All components  will be dimensionally inspected to ensure that they meet New Parts Limits, the  cylinders will be ported and flow matched including a three angle cut on the  seat to ensure proper valve-to-seat geometry.  The engine will be painted  your choice of color (you can let me know your color choice later).  The  rotating assembly will be dynamically balanced.  After assembly, the engine  will be run in our in house dynamometer for 1.5 hours (a copy of which will be  provided to you) and foam crated for secure shipment.



Just a note on the  9:1 pistons, Allen says they will not affect TBO but the 9.5:1 will.   Anyway, off to right the check.  Yikes!  



Michael  Sausen

RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

Do Not Archive



-----Original  Message-----

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)]  On Behalf Of LarryRosen(at)comcast.net

Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:09  PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Engine choice - I  made my mine



--> RV10-List message posted by:  LarryRosen(at)comcast.net



I also going the group and placed an order for my  engine from BPE.  I got the light weight which is the IO-540X parallel  valve engine.  I did not get the cold air induction.  I did get 9:1  compression and the chrome options.  I will decide later on my ignition  option. 



It sure would be nice if the emag / pmag for a 540 was  announced at sun-n-fun.



Larry Rosen



 -------------- Original  message ----------------------

From: "Brian Sponcil"  <bsponcil(at)belinblank.org>

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by:  "Brian Sponcil"

 -->  <bsponcil(at)belinblank.org>

 So which one did you  order? The "heavy hitter" or the "lightweight"? 

 Also, does their  cold air induction require you to modify the cowl?

 Just  curious....

 -Brian



 #40497

  N211BD

 Iowa City, IA



 ----- Original Message  -----

 From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>

 To:  <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

 Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:02  PM

 Subject: Engine choice - I made my  mine

 > --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems  Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>

 >

 > After getting a lot  of input from the Matronics board, and talking

 > off line to several  people. I made my engine choice  and today I

 > placed my order  with Allen Barrett of BPA Engines

 > http://www.bpaengines.com/ . The timing of  my decision was based on

 > the price increase for the overhaul kits  from Lycoming in 1 or 2

 > days. I already saw one price increase and  want to avoid another.

 > BPA is a  respected engine builder they  use the kit from Lycoming,

 > similar to Aero Sport and Mattituck,  only they do some extras eg.

 > porting and flow matching, custom  paint, dynamically balancing the

 > rotating parts to a much stricter  tolerance than others. (Others

 > will do this but for extra  fees).Then they do something unique, they

 > run your engine on their  dyno for 1 1/2 hours with a minute by

 > minute printout that you get.  Their attitude is that they believe

 > this is the only way to build  an engine and they won't build  it

 > otherwise. they'd rather  let business go to other shops than build to a lower standard. I think that  speaks tons to the mindset and attitude/culture that governs the way they  operate.

 > They also do Kirby Chamblis, and Patty Wagstaff's engines  as well. 

 > Allen Barrett made a personal call to me to answer  all of my

 > questions and was extremely professional. As one person  said

 > "picking an engine is a painful experience" and each  individual

 > decision is governed by what is most important to that  person. In

 > this case BPA met my criteria and I'm happy with the  decision.

 > Thanks again to all who contributed knowledge and  information to

 > this process

 >

 > Deems Davis #  406

 > Fuse

 > http://deemsrv10.com/

 >

  >

 >

 >

 > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

  >

 >

 >

 >

 >

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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:47 am Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

Allen, is it too late for me to change and to go w the 9.1 : 1 

pistons/cylinders?



Deems



BPA wrote:



[quote] I’ll chirp a little. Yes, the CAS will require a different cowl than 

 the stock Van’s cowl. However, the cowl according to Will James will 

 be very much in line with the cost of the Van’s cowl. The advantage to 

 the CAS is ram air recovery ie increased MP.



 Allen Barrett



 Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.



 www.barrettprecisionengines.com <http://www.barrettprecisionengines.com/>



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Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:51 am Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

Absolutely.......NOT!  Be glad to do it. 



Allen



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indigoonlatigo(at)msn.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

Is your comment about 200 hrs a dissappointment because you are not flying 

or is it because they already have 200hrs and only 1800 left before O.H.



There are two ways to look at the same thought.



Do not archive



John G. 409(stretching the backside of my knees for two days, after back 

riveting from the inside of my tailsection turned upside down...and I am 

only turning 40)  Arrgh!!!!

[quote]From: "John Jessen" <jjessen(at)rcn.com>

Reply-To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made my mine

Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2006 14:25:28 -0500



Let's see.  My son's senior year at college vs. engine.........   I'm

thinking; I'm thinking.



John Jessen

    ~328 (overwhelmed with the thought of others already having 200 hours 

on

their RV-10.  Arrgh)



do not archive



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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com

[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder

(Michael Sausen)

Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:41 PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made my mine



  This is almost the exact same configuration I'm going with except also

added are dual LSE III Ignitions and a Airflow Performance FM-200.  For

those interested in the details here is the whole description:



IO-540-X engine built from New Lycoming Kit No. 05J23544 with high pressure

fuel pump.  9.0:1 compression pistons, AFP FM200 fuel system, new Champion

spark plugs, Dual LSE III, new lightweight Skytec starter, all engine

fittings and silicone rocker box cover gaskets.  All components will be

dimensionally inspected to ensure that they meet New Parts Limits, the

cylinders will be ported and flow matched including a three angle cut on 

the

seat to ensure proper valve-to-seat geometry.  The engine will be painted

your choice of color (you can let me know your color choice later).  The

rotating assembly will be dynamically balanced.  After assembly, the engine

will be run in our in house dynamometer for 1.5 hours (a copy of which will

be provided to you) and foam crated for secure shipment.



Just a note on the 9:1 pistons, Allen says they will not affect TBO but the

9.5:1 will.  Anyway, off to right the check.  Yikes!  



Michael Sausen

RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

Do Not Archive



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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

Tell him part time jobs build character and will make  him appreciate his education better.  

  

  

Michael Sausen 

RV-10 #352 Working on  Fuselage 

Do Not Archive 

Recent RV-10 Build Activity

  



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John  Jessen

Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:25 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made  my mine

 

 Let's see.  My son's senior year at college vs.  engine.........   I'm thinking; I'm thinking.

  

 John Jessen

    ~328 (overwhelmed with the thought of others  already having 200 hours on their RV-10.  Arrgh)

  

 do not archive



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder  (Michael Sausen)

Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 1:41 PM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made  my mine

 

 

 This is almost the exact same configuration I'm going with  except also added are dual LSE III Ignitions and a Airflow Performance  FM-200.  For those interested in the details here is the whole  description:



IO-540-X engine built from New Lycoming Kit No. 05J23544  with high pressure fuel pump.  9.0:1 compression pistons, AFP FM200 fuel  system, new Champion spark plugs, Dual LSE III, new lightweight Skytec starter,  all engine fittings and silicone rocker box cover gaskets.  All components  will be dimensionally inspected to ensure that they meet New Parts Limits, the  cylinders will be ported and flow matched including a three angle cut on the  seat to ensure proper valve-to-seat geometry.  The engine will be painted  your choice of color (you can let me know your color choice later).  The  rotating assembly will be dynamically balanced.  After assembly, the engine  will be run in our in house dynamometer for 1.5 hours (a copy of which will be  provided to you) and foam crated for secure shipment.



Just a note on the  9:1 pistons, Allen says they will not affect TBO but the 9.5:1 will.   Anyway, off to right the check.  Yikes!  



Michael  Sausen

RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

Do Not Archive



-----Original  Message-----

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com)]  On Behalf Of LarryRosen(at)comcast.net

Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 12:09  PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Engine choice - I  made my mine



--> RV10-List message posted by:  LarryRosen(at)comcast.net



I also going the group and placed an order for my  engine from BPE.  I got the light weight which is the IO-540X parallel  valve engine.  I did not get the cold air induction.  I did get 9:1  compression and the chrome options.  I will decide later on my ignition  option. 



It sure would be nice if the emag / pmag for a 540 was  announced at sun-n-fun.



Larry Rosen



 -------------- Original  message ----------------------

From: "Brian Sponcil"  <bsponcil(at)belinblank.org>

 	  Quote: 	
		   --> RV10-List message posted by:  "Brian Sponcil"

 -->  <bsponcil(at)belinblank.org>

 So which one did you  order? The "heavy hitter" or the "lightweight"? 

 Also, does their  cold air induction require you to modify the cowl?

 Just  curious....

 -Brian



 #40497

  N211BD

 Iowa City, IA



 ----- Original Message  -----

 From: "Deems Davis" <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>

 To:  <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

 Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 2:02  PM

 Subject: Engine choice - I made my  mine

 > --> RV10-List message posted by: Deems  Davis <deemsdavis(at)cox.net>

 >

 > After getting a lot  of input from the Matronics board, and talking

 > off line to several  people. I made my engine choice  and today I

 > placed my order  with Allen Barrett of BPA Engines

 > http://www.bpaengines.com/ . The timing of  my decision was based on

 > the price increase for the overhaul kits  from Lycoming in 1 or 2

 > days. I already saw one price increase and  want to avoid another.

 > BPA is a  respected engine builder they  use the kit from Lycoming,

 > similar to Aero Sport and Mattituck,  only they do some extras eg.

 > porting and flow matching, custom  paint, dynamically balancing the

 > rotating parts to a much stricter  tolerance than others. (Others

 > will do this but for extra  fees).Then they do something unique, they

 > run your engine on their  dyno for 1 1/2 hours with a minute by

 > minute printout that you get.  Their attitude is that they believe

 > this is the only way to build  an engine and they won't build  it

 > otherwise. they'd rather  let business go to other shops than build to a lower standard. I think that  speaks tons to the mindset and attitude/culture that governs the way they  operate.

 > They also do Kirby Chamblis, and Patty Wagstaff's engines  as well. 

 > Allen Barrett made a personal call to me to answer  all of my

 > questions and was extremely professional. As one person  said

 > "picking an engine is a painful experience" and each  individual

 > decision is governed by what is most important to that  person. In

 > this case BPA met my criteria and I'm happy with the  decision.

 > Thanks again to all who contributed knowledge and  information to

 > this process

 >

 > Deems Davis #  406

 > Fuse

 > http://deemsrv10.com/

 >

  >

 >

 >

 > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List

  >

 >

 >

 >

 >

 >

  >

 >

 >

 >

  >



 

 

 




	






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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 3:32 pm Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

Hmm, I always had the understanding you can delete  items from any kit for the cost of the item.  This is what I plan on doing  when I order the finish kit.  Ya, the lightning strike/loss of electrics is  a concern and it's really too bad there isn't a P-Mag for the 6 cylinders  yet.  Rolling the dice a little bit but the odds are probably low that I  would loose everything at any given time.  Besides, if I do I will be  really up $hit creek anyway with a full electric panel.

  

  

  

Michael Sausen 

RV-10 #352 Working on  Fuselage 

Do Not Archive 

Recent RV-10 Build Activity

  



   From: John W. Cox  [mailto:johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:45  PM

To: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

Subject: RE:  Engine choice - I made my mine

 

  

Nicely done.  I  think the Cold Air is worth the extra work, however I take exception to Rhonda’s  reference to price similarity.  I don’t believe VAN is giving a credit so  the cost is an incremental increase on the James cowl.  The only risk is  lightning incursion which could wipe out both LSE whereas a redundant Mag might  have been a more conservative solution.  IE – Tim Olson. 

  

  

John    

 

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Sent: Tuesday, March  14, 2006 10:41 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: Engine choice - I  made my mine

 

  

 This is almost  the exact same configuration I'm going with except also added are dual LSE III  Ignitions and a Airflow Performance FM-200.  For those interested in the  details here is the whole description:



IO-540-X engine built from New  Lycoming Kit No. 05J23544 with high pressure fuel pump.  9.0:1 compression  pistons, AFP FM200 fuel system, new Champion spark plugs, Dual LSE III, new  lightweight Skytec starter, all engine fittings and silicone rocker box cover  gaskets.  All components will be dimensionally inspected to ensure that  they meet New Parts Limits, the cylinders will be ported and flow matched  including a three angle cut on the seat to ensure proper valve-to-seat  geometry.  The engine will be painted your choice of color (you can let me  know your color choice later).  The rotating assembly will be dynamically  balanced.  After assembly, the engine will be run in our in house  dynamometer for 1.5 hours (a copy of which will be provided to you) and foam  crated for secure shipment.



Just a note on the 9:1 pistons, Allen says  they will not affect TBO but the 9.5:1 will.  Anyway, off to right the  check.  Yikes!  



Michael Sausen

RV-10 #352 Working on  Fuselage

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johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

Try that with the Oregon Aero seats.  I had Dick speak at an aviation dinner last Thursday and the question of the Harmon Rocket was brought up.  He instantly got an increase in blood pressure, his neck swelled and he mentioned two fatal accidents that are working their way through the courts.  At an earlier meeting he acknowledged that he has twice settled out of court even though his firm was not negligent as a means to mitigate bad PR.  He is not receptive to repeating the task.  

   

He mentioned that he is not receptive to credits for parts replaced by someone else. Only unused parts.  It is only my opinion that the replacement of a cowl by an aftermarket opens the same Pandora’s Box to a Wide Angle Continental with twin turbos.  He as adamant that the narrow Parallel Valve Engine is the only choice and that 260 hp is a hard number.  He asked for an repeatedly got a Head nod of affirmation from Ken Krueger on each point.  My money is on Good Luck.  

   

My Generation II is going to cut a wide swath across this issue with just such a venture including speed fairings, relocated NACA air vents, a LoPresti style cowl which adapts a Barrett Cold Air ram induction front feed body.  It is common knowledge that will make me Persona Non Grata when complete.  Let me know when you test your understanding.  

   

In case of a Lightning Hit, Plan on a Best Glide and as long as you have good bonding straps your controls should not be welded LOCKED.  Fire is worse.  

   

John  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:29 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made my mine  

  

   

Hmm, I always had the understanding you can delete items from any kit for the cost of the item.  This is what I plan on doing when I order the finish kit.  Ya, the lightning strike/loss of electrics is a concern and it's really too bad there isn't a P-Mag for the 6 cylinders yet.  Rolling the dice a little bit but the odds are probably low that I would loose everything at any given time.  Besides, if I do I will be really up $hit creek anyway with a full electric panel.  

   

   

Michael Sausen  

RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage  

Do Not Archive  

Recent RV-10 Build Activity    

   

  

       

  

From: John W. Cox [mailto:johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com] 

 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:45 PM

 To: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

 Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made my mine  

Nicely done.  I think the Cold Air is worth the extra work, however I take exception to Rhonda’s reference to price similarity.  I don’t believe VAN is giving a credit so the cost is an incremental increase on the James cowl.  The only risk is lightning incursion which could wipe out both LSE whereas a redundant Mag might have been a more conservative solution.  IE – Tim Olson.  

   

   

John          

  

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:41 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made my mine  

  

   

 This is almost the exact same configuration I'm going with except also added are dual LSE III Ignitions and a Airflow Performance FM-200.  For those interested in the details here is the whole description:

 

 IO-540-X engine built from New Lycoming Kit No. 05J23544 with high pressure fuel pump.  9.0:1 compression pistons, AFP FM200 fuel system, new Champion spark plugs, Dual LSE III, new lightweight Skytec starter, all engine fittings and silicone rocker box cover gaskets.  All components will be dimensionally inspected to ensure that they meet New Parts Limits, the cylinders will be ported and flow matched including a three angle cut on the seat to ensure proper valve-to-seat geometry.  The engine will be painted your choice of color (you can let me know your color choice later).  The rotating assembly will be dynamically balanced.  After assembly, the engine will be run in our in house dynamometer for 1.5 hours (a copy of which will be provided to you) and foam crated for secure shipment.

 

 Just a note on the 9:1 pistons, Allen says they will not affect TBO but the 9.5:1 will.  Anyway, off to right the check.  Yikes!  

 

 Michael Sausen

 RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

 Do Not Archive

johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

My apology to everyone on this list including Dick, this was thought to be a private post back to Mike Sausen.  For those of you sooping up RV-10s (Vic and Noel) I did not mean to stir the pot.  

   

Sincerest and deepest of apologies to all of the lurkers and friends of VANS alike.   Oh the speed of electrons even with a tin can and string.  

   

John  

DO NOT ARCHIVE  

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John W. Cox

 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 4:12 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made my mine  

  

   

Try that with the Oregon Aero seats.  I had Dick speak at an aviation dinner last Thursday and the question of the Harmon Rocket was brought up.  He instantly got an increase in blood pressure, his neck swelled and he mentioned two fatal accidents that are working their way through the courts.  At an earlier meeting he acknowledged that he has twice settled out of court even though his firm was not negligent as a means to mitigate bad PR.  He is not receptive to repeating the task.  

   

He mentioned that he is not receptive to credits for parts replaced by someone else. Only unused parts.  It is only my opinion that the replacement of a cowl by an aftermarket opens the same Pandora’s Box to a Wide Angle Continental with twin turbos.  He as adamant that the narrow Parallel Valve Engine is the only choice and that 260 hp is a hard number.  He asked for an repeatedly got a Head nod of affirmation from Ken Krueger on each point.  My money is on Good Luck.  

   

My Generation II is going to cut a wide swath across this issue with just such a venture including speed fairings, relocated NACA air vents, a LoPresti style cowl which adapts a Barrett Cold Air ram induction front feed body.  It is common knowledge that will make me Persona Non Grata when complete.  Let me know when you test your understanding.  

   

In case of a Lightning Hit, Plan on a Best Glide and as long as you have good bonding straps your controls should not be welded LOCKED.  Fire is worse.  

   

John  

           

  

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 3:29 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made my mine  

  

   

Hmm, I always had the understanding you can delete items from any kit for the cost of the item.  This is what I plan on doing when I order the finish kit.  Ya, the lightning strike/loss of electrics is a concern and it's really too bad there isn't a P-Mag for the 6 cylinders yet.  Rolling the dice a little bit but the odds are probably low that I would loose everything at any given time.  Besides, if I do I will be really up $hit creek anyway with a full electric panel.  

   

   

Michael Sausen  

RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage  

Do Not Archive  

Recent RV-10 Build Activity    

   

  

         

  

  

From: John W. Cox [mailto:johnwcox(at)pacificnw.com] 

 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 2:45 PM

 To: RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

 Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made my mine  

Nicely done.  I think the Cold Air is worth the extra work, however I take exception to Rhonda’s reference to price similarity.  I don’t believe VAN is giving a credit so the cost is an incremental increase on the James cowl.  The only risk is lightning incursion which could wipe out both LSE whereas a redundant Mag might have been a more conservative solution.  IE – Tim Olson.  

   

   

John            

  

  

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

 Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:41 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made my mine  

  

   

 This is almost the exact same configuration I'm going with except also added are dual LSE III Ignitions and a Airflow Performance FM-200.  For those interested in the details here is the whole description:

 

 IO-540-X engine built from New Lycoming Kit No. 05J23544 with high pressure fuel pump.  9.0:1 compression pistons, AFP FM200 fuel system, new Champion spark plugs, Dual LSE III, new lightweight Skytec starter, all engine fittings and silicone rocker box cover gaskets.  All components will be dimensionally inspected to ensure that they meet New Parts Limits, the cylinders will be ported and flow matched including a three angle cut on the seat to ensure proper valve-to-seat geometry.  The engine will be painted your choice of color (you can let me know your color choice later).  The rotating assembly will be dynamically balanced.  After assembly, the engine will be run in our in house dynamometer for 1.5 hours (a copy of which will be provided to you) and foam crated for secure shipment.

 

 Just a note on the 9:1 pistons, Allen says they will not affect TBO but the 9.5:1 will.  Anyway, off to right the check.  Yikes!  

 

 Michael Sausen

 RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

 Do Not Archive

dav1111(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:52 am Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

Rhonda:



With the heavy hitter, which I assume is somthing like the K model IO-540 angle valve, does the cowl need modification?  Also how much heavier is the heavy hitter?



Russ Daves

[quote] 

 From: "Rhonda Bewley" <Rhonda(at)bpaengines.com>

 Date: 2006/03/14 Tue PM 12:59:02 EST

 To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: RE: Engine choice - I made my mine

 

 

 

 Brian:

 

 If it's okay, I'd like to address the differences in the IO-540s we have

 listed on our website and note that our site is in the process of some

 serious changes, so more detail will be on our site soon.

 

 The "heavy hitter" IO-540 is an angle head engine which is used in the

 Extra series aircraft and some Glassair models.  The lightweight IO-540

 is the parallel head version of the engine which is used in the RV-10.

 

 Our cold air induction does require a cowl modification for the RV-10,

 which is being developed and should be available sometime in the 2nd

 quarter.  We have been told that the pricing for the new cowl will be

 competitive with the cowl sold by Van's.  Our cold air has been used on

 some Rockets with some cowling modifications as well.

 

 Hope this helps clarify.  

 

 Rhonda Barrett-Bewley

 Barrett Precision Engines, Inc.

 2870-B N> Sheridan Rd.

 Tulsa, OK  74115

 (918) 835-1089 phone

 (918) 835-1754 fax

 www.barrettprecisionengines.com 

 

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
Guest

Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 6:19 am Post subject: Engine choice - I made my mine

 Russ,

 

  It is my understanding that the  angle valve requires significant cowl modification and is considered too heavy  for the -10.  Besides cowl changes you will have to beef up the structure  to handle it.  In difference to my friends out there that take exception to  the idea that the -10  is nose heavy, this will make it very nose heavy.  It's really not recommended but it is experimental after all.  

 

 

 Michael Sausen

 RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

 Do Not Archive

 

 

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