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d_kandle(at)velocitus.net
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re:Take-off roll reality check... Reply with quote


You guys have me worried now.
I bought my 701 kit so I could get into places I won't take my Cessna
206 into. I will land that plane on 800' level strips where a go
around is possible and 800' uphill with no path for a go around. (I
like 1500' if it is no go around, one-way strip and doesn't have a
good uphill grade).
I was planning on using my 701 for strips (or roads) that are too
short or narrow for my Cessna. But you guys are saying that there is
a good chance I won't feel any safer on these types of strips in the
701 than my plane that I now use which 3 times larger and takes at
least twice the runway to take off on as the 701.
I am (was?) planning on using this plane where I would only have 500'
or less (I like to have twice the required space for a
landing/takeoff. From the specs I took this to be about 300 to 400
feet for the 701 which, unlike many planes, seems to use more runway
for landing than takeoff.
At 02:47 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
Dave,
The 701 is a great machine, will easily takeoff and land in 2000 feet.
do not archive
Doug Kandle
CH701
Boise ID
Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done Working on 2nd Wing
Jabiru 2200
From complete kit


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re:Take-off roll reality check... Reply with quote


Remember most of these guys have little experience flying the 701.....most
are still building!!!!I can land and take off in 500 even though more is
always better.
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From: doug kandle <d kandle(at)velocitus.net>
Reply-To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
To: zenith-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Zenith-List: Re:Take-off roll reality check...
Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2006 17:11:07 -0700
You guys have me worried now.
I bought my 701 kit so I could get into places I won't take my Cessna
206 into. I will land that plane on 800' level strips where a go
around is possible and 800' uphill with no path for a go around. (I
like 1500' if it is no go around, one-way strip and doesn't have a
good uphill grade).
I was planning on using my 701 for strips (or roads) that are too
short or narrow for my Cessna. But you guys are saying that there is
a good chance I won't feel any safer on these types of strips in the
701 than my plane that I now use which 3 times larger and takes at
least twice the runway to take off on as the 701.
I am (was?) planning on using this plane where I would only have 500'
or less (I like to have twice the required space for a
landing/takeoff. From the specs I took this to be about 300 to 400
feet for the 701 which, unlike many planes, seems to use more runway
for landing than takeoff.
At 02:47 PM 1/7/2006, you wrote:
Dave,
The 701 is a great machine, will easily takeoff and land in 2000 feet.
do not archive
Doug Kandle
CH701
Boise ID
Rudder & Horiz. Stab. done Working on 2nd Wing
Jabiru 2200
From complete kit

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject: Re:Take-off roll reality check... Reply with quote


Doug
I can pretty much guarantee you can get the 701 into and out of places you
won't get the 206. With just an 80 hp engine, about a 10 degree uphill slope,
and 15 degrees of flaps, I'm still off in under 200 feet. Full flaps, a 15
kt. headwind, and I was off the ground in about 30-50 feet. The shortest
strip I have landed on so far, a friend of mine has a strip about 700 feet
long and landing from the north you have to clear some 30 foot oil field
power lines that are about 70 yards north of the barbed wire fence at the end
of the strip. Still can get it on the ground and stopped by about the halfway
point. Looking forward to the takeoff (and climb) performance of the new 912S
I'm installing. Landing performance should be pretty much the same as there
is very little weight difference between the two engines. Still haven't
explored the full range of landing performance with various degrees of flaps,
but suspect it will most definitely be impressive.
Mike Sinclair N701TD
doug kandle wrote:
You guys have me worried now.
I bought my 701 kit so I could get into places I won't take my Cessna
206 into. I will land that plane on 800' level strips where a go
around is possible and 800' uphill with no path for a go around. (I
like 1500' if it is no go around, one-way strip and doesn't have a
good uphill grade).
I was planning on using my 701 for strips (or roads) that are too
short or narrow for my Cessna. But you guys are saying that there is
a good chance I won't feel any safer on these types of strips in the
701 than my plane that I now use which 3 times larger and takes at
least twice the runway to take off on as the 701.
I am (was?) planning on using this plane where I would only have 500'
or less (I like to have twice the required space for a
landing/takeoff. From the specs I took this to be about 300 to 400
feet for the 701 which, unlike many planes, seems to use more runway
for landing than takeoff.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 4:05 am    Post subject: Re:Take-off roll reality check... Reply with quote


Doug, just don't believe a guy that says a 701 will easily take off and land
on a 2000 ft strip.
Take a demo flight in a 701 and see by yourself you will be amazed to find
the short distances it operates.
I was anyway.
Jean-Paul
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re:Take-off roll reality check... Reply with quote


I wouldn't worry Doug. Like someone already stated, practice on longer
strips until you feel confident with your abilities. I regularly flew a
Skyranger (which has good STOL capabilities but not as good as a 701) into a
600ft strip with trees at one end and a barn at the other.
Randy


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re:Take-off roll reality check... Reply with quote


Doug,
That's precisely the point. It's a practice period, and even for a 701,
I'd try to put it on
a runway that allows you to collect your thoughts while learning. On my
second flight,
I over-ran an intersecton and blew a Hold Short instruction where there
was 3200 ft
of a 10,000 runway in my 601HDS. Today I could get it stopped in less
than 1000 ft,
but on the first flight, one of my ignitions had failed and I was tense and
just trying to read the gages during rollout. Never had that problem
again. I did get
a safety violation from the tower, but was never penalized once the NASA
form was sent.
Knowing you can get off within 4 seconds in a 701 isn't the same as
doing it the first time.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com
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Randy wrote:
I wouldn't worry Doug. Like someone already stated, practice on longer
strips until you feel confident with your abilities. I regularly flew a
Skyranger (which has good STOL capabilities but not as good as a 701) into a
600ft strip with trees at one end and a barn at the other.
Randy


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