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peterson(at)orbitec.com.a
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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: Garmin 430 WX protocol

Hi all,



I'm new to the list and I  have a question (sorry if it's a bit off- 

topic) - does anybody know where I can find out more about the  

protocol for weather display that is used on the Garmin series of GPS  

receivers? For example, I know it is possible to display satellite  

weather that has been received by a Garmin GDL-69 (satellite receiver)  

on the display of Garmin 430.



Does anyone happen to know the protocol / format for the communication  

between the GDL-69 and the Garmin 430? Is it documented anywhere, or  

perhaps an open standard (e.g. ARINC?). I have done a bit of google  

searching but didn't turn anything up.



Thanks very much in advance.



Regs,



Dave

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Lenny Iszak

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Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: Garmin 430 WX protocol

Dave,



I don't think they would publish that. But we could hook up a port monitor between the two devices and document the protocol. We could then emulate the GDL-69 using a much cheaper WxWorks receiver.

Then again, we could emulate the Garmin with a much cheaper computer, and then...   oh, never mind... 



Regards,

Lenny

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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: Garmin 430 WX protocol

The 430 and 530 will not display many of the weather options that are  

offered.  I think it will show Nexrad and maybe one other thing on the  

map and it will give text metars and tafs, I think.  The people I've  

talked to who have flown behind it much rather use a 496.  I know this  

doesn't answer your question, and you may already know it, but thought  

I would throw that out.  If I was putting in another WX receiver, I  

would not pipe it through the 430.



do not archive



Jesse Saint

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On Dec 16, 2008, at 12:18 AM, Lenny Iszak wrote:



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 Dave,



 I don't think they would publish that. But we could hook up a port  

 monitor between the two devices and document the protocol. We could  

 then emulate the GDL-69 using a much cheaper WxWorks receiver.

 Then again, we could emulate the Garmin with a much cheaper  

 computer, and then...   oh, never mind... 



 Regards,

 Lenny





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billderou(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: Garmin 430 WX protocol

David-

What did you have in mind? I have interfaced the $825 Spruce WX Receiver to my computer and display Nexrad, Metar, and TFR's and know this protocol.



If you prefer email me directly at billderou(at)yahoo.com



Bill DeRouchey

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--- On Tue, 12/16/08, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com> wrote:

[quote]From: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>

Subject: Re: Re: Garmin 430 WX protocol

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Tuesday, December 16, 2008, 9:13 AM



[quote]--> RV10-List message posted by: Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>



The 430 and 530 will not display many of the weather options that are offered. 

I think it will show Nexrad and maybe one  other thing on the map and it will

give text metars and tafs, I think.  The people I've talked to who have

flown behind it much rather use a 496.  I know this doesn't answer your

question, and you may already know it, but thought I would throw that out.  If I

was putting in another WX receiver, I would not pipe it through the 430.



do not archive



Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694



On Dec 16, 2008, at 12:18 AM, Lenny Iszak wrote:



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 Dave,

 

 I don't think they would publish that. But we could hook up a port

monitor between the two devices and document the protocol. We could then emulate
	


the GDL-69 using a much cheaper WxWorks receiver.

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 Then again, we could emulate the Garmin with a much cheaper [quote][b]

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peterson(at)orbitec.com.a
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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject: Garmin 430 WX protocol

Hi Lenny,



Thanks for your feedback. I was beginning to suspect that it would be a proprietary protocol.

Putting a protocol analyser onto the traffic and documenting the messages sounds like the only way forward. I am disappointed that there are no standardised protocols (e.g. an ARINC standard) for the exchange of WX data between receivers and MFD displays. Oh well. I presume this is also the case for traffic data, etc?

Next question: do you happen to know the nature of the electrical interface between the GDL-69 and the 430? Is it a serial line protocol (RS-232 etc?)

Regards

Dave



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Subject: Re: Garmin 430 WX protocol

From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com (lenard(at)rapiddecision.com)>

Dave,



I don't think they would publish that. But we could hook up a port monitor between

the two devices and document the protocol. We could then emulate the GDL-69

using a much cheaper WxWorks receiver.

Then again, we could emulate the Garmin with a much cheaper computer, and then...

 oh, never mind... 



Regards,

Lenny

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Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: Re: Garmin 430 WX protocol

Dave,



I have the install manual for a discontinued GDL-49 unit, which talks to the 400/500 series panel mounts via RS-232, so I think it's safe to assume that the 69 uses the same thing.

If that's the case it's very easy to sniff the data from it. Assuming that it's coming from the same source as the WxWorks data, it won't be hard to guess the protocol unless they encrypted the data. Bill may be able to help you with that.



The problem with the protocol hack would be that if you sent a bad packet  to your Garmin screen during flight, you could possibly lock it up in flight. Not very desirable.



I'm going to display WxWorks data on my own screen. It's much safer that way and allows for other interesting tricks...



Lenny

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Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: Garmin 430 WX protocol

Thanks Lenny, and to everyone else who responded.  I think the best bet is obviously a protocol analyser and a lot of spare time 



Dave



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Subject: Re: Garmin 430 WX protocol

From: "Lenny Iszak" <lenard(at)rapiddecision.com (lenard(at)rapiddecision.com)>

Dave,



I have the install manual for a discontinued GDL-49 unit, which talks to the 400/500

series panel mounts via RS-232, so I think it's safe to assume that the

69 uses the same thing.

If that's the case it's very easy to sniff the data from it. Assuming that it's

coming from the same source as the WxWorks data, it won't be hard to guess the

protocol unless they encrypted the data. Bill may be able to help you with that.



The problem with the protocol hack would be that if you sent a bad packet  to your

Garmin screen during flight, you could possibly lock it up in flight. Not

very desirable.



I'm going to display WxWorks data on my own screen. It's much safer that way and

allows for other interesting tricks...



Lenny

#40803[b]

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