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mz(at)cariama.nl
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:02 am Post subject: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone?

I am about to replace my Terra TRT-250D transponder (mode a+c ) with a Mode-S transponder, and have ordered a Garrecht VT01 Ultra compact Class2.



Has anyone already installed this transponder in their Europa, and was EASA paperwork completed (Form 32) that I can refer to when submitting my paperwork? 



Anyone interested in buying the Terra transponder once I have replaced it?



Marcel

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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 9:52 am Post subject: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone?

Hi! Marcel,

I have just read and re-read the item on Mode S in the January issue of

the LAA Magazine. This is very sensitive to me since I have a Garmin

Mode S 328 on order from 7th January. 

The item reads that Mode S will not become mandatory except in Class A

to C and specific areas of Class D Airspace but will be required by

March 31st 2012 in those specified areas. "otherwise Mode A/C will

continue until at least 2012 with a two year notice period of it's

demise in UK airspace."

Whilst I welcome this I'm somewhat confused when in August 2008 Dutch

Military enforced Maximum height restriction of 1500ft on me flying from

Speyer to Texel forcing me to either bust some local airspace or fly

through an IMC storm along the Belgian/Dutch border.

If we are to suffer isolated enforcement from different authorities it

will be an "airborne minefield" to navigate to avoid mode S areas.

Hopefully someone will respond in time with some logic so that by 6th of

January I can cancel my order because I for one don't have GBP £1800 to

throw in the wind.

Perhaps this doesn't help you now Marcel but it may promote some

enlightening discussion!

Best regards and Happy New Year.



Bob Harrison G-PTAG 

 



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mz(at)cariama.nl
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone?

[quote:84434a7145="ptag.dev"]Whilst I welcome this I'm somewhat confused when in August 2008 Dutch Military enforced Maximum height restriction of 1500ft on me flying from Speyer to Texel forcing me to either bust some local airspace or fly through an IMC storm along the Belgian/Dutch border.[/quote:84434a7145]

You are so right here, this is exactly why I feel I have no option but to replace my mode A/C with a mode S. Not having a mode S simply is too limiting if you're based in Holland (below 1500ft are nice altitudes to fly at, but only when descending for landing or ascending to cruising level  )



[quote:84434a7145="ptag.dev"]If we are to suffer isolated enforcement from different authorities it will be an "airborne minefield" to navigate to avoid mode S areas.[/quote:84434a7145]

Spot on. My approach: get a mode S to eliminate the minefields all together...



[quote:84434a7145="ptag.dev"]Hopefully someone will respond in time with some logic so that by 6th of January I can cancel my order because I for one don't have GBP £1800 to throw in the wind.[/quote:84434a7145]

Well, knowing that you do quite some touring around Europe, I would not consider this money thrown in the wind in your situation: having a mode S would make your touring a lot less troublesome for the time being (at some point you will be forced to replace your A/C anyway, so the money will be leaving your pocket anyway).

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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:08 pm Post subject: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone?

Hi! Marcel

I think what you are saying is that there is more necessity for Mode S

when flying in Europe than in the UK and this I can not agree with. If

the UK CAA are content to bring Mode S in over a longer period but the

rest of Europe isn't, IMHO this "smacks" of European bureaucracy

applying "you do what WE say NOW" philosophy. 

I believe that the greater proportion of radar reception equipment is

unable to handle all VFR Mode S traffic yet on a Europe wide basis, or

am I mistaken?

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG 



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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:15 pm Post subject: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone?

Hi! Marcel,

Further to my message just sent on this Mode S topic on past experiences

a delay period of three years is quite likely for the equipment

specifications to change so that mandatory installation just may make

equipment bought now obsolete necessitating still further expense, don't

forget it's our hard earned cash they are spending not theirs! 

Regards

Bob Harrison G-PTAG 



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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:15 pm Post subject: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone?

Just to my 2 cents, or maybe pence in this case.....but exactly how much  less expensive will that Garmin be in 3 years? If it's anything like computer  stuff, maybe 50%? From the other side of the Pond.   

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mz(at)cariama.nl
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:03 am Post subject: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone?

[quote:fa65874136="ptag.dev"]I think what you are saying is that there is more necessity for Mode S when flying in Europe than in the UK[/quote:fa65874136]

I did not intend to compare countries with my statement, I was only looking at cockpit and flight-prep procedures: if you have a Mode S, you don't need to worry about Mode S or Mode A/C anymore. No more need to circumnavigate Mode S mandatory zones, no more height-restrictions due to not having one, etc. Just turn the thing on, and 'forget' about it...



My view of course will be clouded, because in Holland you must have Mode S if you wish to go higher than 1500ft, making the decision of getting a Mode S the more obvious one (please read: almost an absolute necessity). 

Marcel



PS 2

I do fully subscribe your views on bureaucracy

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ptag.dev(at)tiscali.co.uk
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:17 am Post subject: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone?

Hi! Marcel

I appreciate your points but I don't think the motives of the

authorities are such that with Mode S will entitle you to zoom about

anywhere but that if you do then they will have a "handle" on you and

details of where to send their bill, be it a fine for infringement or

indeed as seemingly necessary for "Air Navigation Services" charges for

entering and leaving such as Tempelhof air traffic control zone. They

will still require you to comply with all height restrictions, the main

difference with Mode S being that they will have height read out against

your name.

Of course my point about some possibility of equipment needing to be up

graded or superceded by three years in the future may also be affected

by prices of such equipment being slashed as  Mike Duane points out, but

where aeronautical equipment is concerned the manufacturers expect that

we can stand the cost whatever so I would be amazed if they reduced any

current prices.

Regrds

Bob Harrison G-PTAG



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craigb(at)onthenet.com.au
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone?

Bob just touching on the price and possible reduction over time. MGL are

supposedly

releasing a Mode S transponder shortly. Given the price of their EFIS panels

we can all hope they might "throw a cat amongst the pigeons" as it were

which could force

a price drop from the others.



As far as the Mode S goes in australia, All new aircraft Registrations are

being issued a mode

S ident.



Craig



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Ivor Phillips

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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:02 am Post subject: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone?

Same here Craig, the CAA have issued Ident's since 2007, I personally have only

one year's use of a new Garmin GTX327 and therefore reluctant to replace it just yet, As Bob and me do a lot of trips together i think it would be best for Bob to change to mode S and i follow behind using mode A as part of the formation   

 Or more likely though i dont condone it, is Pilots NOT turning on there transponders at all in class G ( that will really improve safety)

regards

Ivor

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 	  Quote: 	
		   Bob just touching on the price and possible reduction over time. MGL are

 supposedly

 releasing a Mode S transponder shortly. Given the price of their EFIS panels

 we can all hope they might "throw a cat amongst the pigeons" as it were

 which could force

 a price drop from the others.

 

 As far as the Mode S goes in australia, All new aircraft Registrations are

 being issued a mode

 S ident.

 

> 

 Hi! Marcel

 I appreciate your points but I don't think the motives of the

 authorities are such that with Mode S will entitle you to zoom about

 anywhere but that if you do then they will have a "handle" on you and

 details of where to send their bill, be it a fine for infringement or

 indeed as seemingly necessary for "Air Navigation Services" charges for

 entering and leaving such as Tempelhof air traffic control zone. They

 will still require you to comply with all height restrictions, the main

 difference with Mode S being that they will have height read out against

 your name.

 Of course my point about some possibility of equipment needing to be up

 graded or superceded by three years in the future may also be affected

 by prices of such equipment being slashed as  Mike Duane points out, but

 where aeronautical equipment is concerned the manufacturers expect that

 we can stand the cost whatever so I would be amazed if they reduced any

 current prices.

 Regrds

 Bob Harrison G-PTAG

 > [quote:fa65874136="ptag.dev"]I think what you are saying is that there

 is more necessity for Mode S when flying in Europe than in the

 UK[/quote:fa65874136]

 I did not intend to compare countries with my statement, I was only

 looking at cockpit and flight-prep procedures: if you have a Mode S, you

 don't need to worry about Mode S or Mode A/C anymore. No more need to

 circumnavigate Mode S mandatory zones, no more height-restrictions due

 to not having one, etc. Just turn the thing on, and 'forget' about it...

 

 My view of course will be clouded, because in Holland you must have Mode

 S if you wish to go higher than 1500ft, making the decision of getting a

 Mode S the more obvious one (please read: almost an absolute necessity).

 

 Marcel

 

 PS 2

 I do fully subscribe your views on bureaucracy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 Visit -  www.EuropaOwners.org

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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mz(at)cariama.nl
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:18 am Post subject: Garrecht Ultracompact VT01 installed anyone?

[quote:f9322c72ed="ptag.dev"]are such that with Mode S will entitle you to zoom about anywhere [/quote:f9322c72ed]

I guess you missed the phrase "due to not having one" in my remarks. Goes without saying I would think that other restrictions (airspace and others) remain in effect...

But you're right, Mode-S gives authorities a perfect handle to send bills/fines   



Back to my original questions: 



1. anyone has the Garrecht VT01 installed and registered with EASA? I would like to avoid being the first one, saving costs...



2. anyone interested in buying the Terra TRT250D from me at a reasonable price once I have replaced it?

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