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Kelly McMullen
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 Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:42 am Post subject: Fwd: B: www.Readerplates.com Pirep |
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For those considering EFBs and equivalents, a user report:
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From: Mike Caban <mcaban(at)semco-inc.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Subject: B: www.Readerplates.com Pirep
To: beech-owners(at)beechcraft.org
Hi Folks,
Since I had free access to a Sony Reader PRS-505, I decided to give the
www.readerplates.com product a try.
1st: purchase a minimum 2GB SD or Sony pro duo card (I got an 8GB unit off
ebay from China for $20 and yes, it works just fine).
The readerplates subscription ($10/month) can be cancelled at any time so I
was only putting $10 at risk.
Takes a good while to get the file unless you are on a nice corporate or T1
connection to get the 1.3 GB of download.
All the IAP's, SIDS & STARS are in there and are easily placed on the 2GB
card that you have purchased, either with the card in the Sony Reader or in
an adapter connected to your computer for transfer.
A little fiddling with the PRS-505 to get the buttonology down but it gets
you there to any state, city and airport combination you navigate to. Speed
of page turns is decent and the battery life on the thing is quite a few
hours (how many I don't know, but I played with the unit for a couple of
hours and the battery did not move off full).
The screen technology uses encapsulated ink that is turned on and off
(creating a pixel or not) by some sort of electrical pulse, therefore, once
you hit the ink capsule with energy you're done using power. So energy use
only occurs during page "turns". The encapsulation technology is an area
that I am working with my client so we had one of these units on hand.
Readability in office conditions and outside was good for me. In low light
conditions you'll need an overhead light or flashlight pretty much as if you
were using a paper chart.
Your near vision eyesight will need to be in good shape. I do not think that
20/40 near vision will get you there BWTHDIK......My eye doctor keeps me
well tuned and with my glasses (20/20 near vision) the reader plate size was
no problem in the full view and in the larger section view. With my contacts
and cheater readers I was not too keen on relying on for a critical frequent
or DH number. This is about the only caution I would have on this unit is
the near vision eyesight for those of us who have passed into that eyesight
change, needs to be in very good shape. <vbg>
This unit won't change my SOP of having 8.5 x 11 paper printed charts for my
destinations and possible alternates, however, for $10/month I have every US
chart at my fingertips in a device that does not cost several AMU (~$250),
does not rely on a rotating hard drive, does not use a Bill Gates OS and has
a battery life that exceeds the endurance of my 136 gallons useable fuel.
All in all, I'm inclined to give it the CSOB thumbs up!
See a narrative and some screen shots here:
http://www.csobeech.com/csob-sony.html
Mike
N2023W
1965 B-55/TC-971
KDTO Denton, TX
<mailto:mike(at)michaelcaban.com> mike(at)michaelcaban.com
<http://www.csobeech.com/> http://www.CSOBeech.com
<http://picasaweb.google.com/michaelcaban/BeechBaronN2023W>
http://picasaweb.google.com/michaelcaban/BeechBaronN2023W
"The flight is the reason, the destination is only an excuse!"
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 5:58 am Post subject: Fwd: B: www.Readerplates.com Pirep |
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This one sounds like Approach plates only though, right?
So not a GPS enabled box, and no charts...just plates
from what it sounds like. At $120/yr, it isn't that
much more to go $199 and get the IFR ChartData subscription
with Voyager and get a ton more function and many more
charts:
This page gives renewal prices and the links point to
a page that shows what all you get.
https://www.seattleavionics.com/ecommerce/buy1.aspx?CouponCode=Renew
The main difference is, this would require a real laptop/tablet
to run on.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Kelly McMullen wrote:
| Quote: | For those considering EFBs and equivalents, a user report:
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mike Caban <mcaban(at)semco-inc.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM
Subject: B: www.Readerplates.com Pirep
To: beech-owners(at)beechcraft.org
Hi Folks,
Since I had free access to a Sony Reader PRS-505, I decided to give the
www.readerplates.com product a try.
1st: purchase a minimum 2GB SD or Sony pro duo card (I got an 8GB unit off
ebay from China for $20 and yes, it works just fine).
The readerplates subscription ($10/month) can be cancelled at any time so I
was only putting $10 at risk.
Takes a good while to get the file unless you are on a nice corporate or T1
connection to get the 1.3 GB of download.
All the IAP's, SIDS & STARS are in there and are easily placed on the 2GB
card that you have purchased, either with the card in the Sony Reader or in
an adapter connected to your computer for transfer.
A little fiddling with the PRS-505 to get the buttonology down but it gets
you there to any state, city and airport combination you navigate to. Speed
of page turns is decent and the battery life on the thing is quite a few
hours (how many I don't know, but I played with the unit for a couple of
hours and the battery did not move off full).
The screen technology uses encapsulated ink that is turned on and off
(creating a pixel or not) by some sort of electrical pulse, therefore, once
you hit the ink capsule with energy you're done using power. So energy use
only occurs during page "turns". The encapsulation technology is an area
that I am working with my client so we had one of these units on hand.
Readability in office conditions and outside was good for me. In low light
conditions you'll need an overhead light or flashlight pretty much as if you
were using a paper chart.
Your near vision eyesight will need to be in good shape. I do not think that
20/40 near vision will get you there BWTHDIK......My eye doctor keeps me
well tuned and with my glasses (20/20 near vision) the reader plate size was
no problem in the full view and in the larger section view. With my contacts
and cheater readers I was not too keen on relying on for a critical frequent
or DH number. This is about the only caution I would have on this unit is
the near vision eyesight for those of us who have passed into that eyesight
change, needs to be in very good shape. <vbg>
This unit won't change my SOP of having 8.5 x 11 paper printed charts for my
destinations and possible alternates, however, for $10/month I have every US
chart at my fingertips in a device that does not cost several AMU (~$250),
does not rely on a rotating hard drive, does not use a Bill Gates OS and has
a battery life that exceeds the endurance of my 136 gallons useable fuel.
All in all, I'm inclined to give it the CSOB thumbs up!
See a narrative and some screen shots here:
http://www.csobeech.com/csob-sony.html
Mike
N2023W
1965 B-55/TC-971
KDTO Denton, TX
<mailto:mike(at)michaelcaban.com> mike(at)michaelcaban.com
<http://www.csobeech.com/> http://www.CSOBeech.com
<http://picasaweb.google.com/michaelcaban/BeechBaronN2023W>
http://picasaweb.google.com/michaelcaban/BeechBaronN2023W
"The flight is the reason, the destination is only an excuse!"
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Kelly McMullen
Joined: 16 Apr 2008
Posts: 1188
Location: Sun Lakes AZ
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: Fwd: B: www.Readerplates.com Pirep |
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That is the rub. Cheap hardware, cheap subscription, limited
functionality. I hear sub-notebooks will come down a lot in price this
year, but that is the current barrier for some. Hard to get full
functioning sub-notebook with SSD and GPS for under a grand unless
used, etc.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)myrv10.com> wrote:
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This one sounds like Approach plates only though, right?
So not a GPS enabled box, and no charts...just plates
from what it sounds like. At $120/yr, it isn't that
much more to go $199 and get the IFR ChartData subscription
with Voyager and get a ton more function and many more
charts:
This page gives renewal prices and the links point to
a page that shows what all you get.
https://www.seattleavionics.com/ecommerce/buy1.aspx?CouponCode=Renew
The main difference is, this would require a real laptop/tablet
to run on.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Kelly McMullen wrote:
>
> For those considering EFBs and equivalents, a user report:
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Mike Caban <mcaban(at)semco-inc.com>
> Date: Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:40 PM
> Subject: B: www.Readerplates.com Pirep
> To: beech-owners(at)beechcraft.org
> Hi Folks,
>
> Since I had free access to a Sony Reader PRS-505, I decided to give the
> www.readerplates.com product a try.
>
> 1st: purchase a minimum 2GB SD or Sony pro duo card (I got an 8GB unit off
> ebay from China for $20 and yes, it works just fine).
>
> The readerplates subscription ($10/month) can be cancelled at any time so
> I
> was only putting $10 at risk.
>
> Takes a good while to get the file unless you are on a nice corporate or
> T1
> connection to get the 1.3 GB of download.
>
> All the IAP's, SIDS & STARS are in there and are easily placed on the 2GB
> card that you have purchased, either with the card in the Sony Reader or
> in
> an adapter connected to your computer for transfer.
>
> A little fiddling with the PRS-505 to get the buttonology down but it gets
> you there to any state, city and airport combination you navigate to.
> Speed
> of page turns is decent and the battery life on the thing is quite a few
> hours (how many I don't know, but I played with the unit for a couple of
> hours and the battery did not move off full).
>
> The screen technology uses encapsulated ink that is turned on and off
> (creating a pixel or not) by some sort of electrical pulse, therefore,
> once
> you hit the ink capsule with energy you're done using power. So energy use
> only occurs during page "turns". The encapsulation technology is an area
> that I am working with my client so we had one of these units on hand.
>
> Readability in office conditions and outside was good for me. In low light
> conditions you'll need an overhead light or flashlight pretty much as if
> you
> were using a paper chart.
>
> Your near vision eyesight will need to be in good shape. I do not think
> that
> 20/40 near vision will get you there BWTHDIK......My eye doctor keeps me
> well tuned and with my glasses (20/20 near vision) the reader plate size
> was
> no problem in the full view and in the larger section view. With my
> contacts
> and cheater readers I was not too keen on relying on for a critical
> frequent
> or DH number. This is about the only caution I would have on this unit is
> the near vision eyesight for those of us who have passed into that
> eyesight
> change, needs to be in very good shape. <vbg>
>
> This unit won't change my SOP of having 8.5 x 11 paper printed charts for
> my
> destinations and possible alternates, however, for $10/month I have every
> US
> chart at my fingertips in a device that does not cost several AMU (~$250),
> does not rely on a rotating hard drive, does not use a Bill Gates OS and
> has
> a battery life that exceeds the endurance of my 136 gallons useable fuel.
>
> All in all, I'm inclined to give it the CSOB thumbs up!
>
> See a narrative and some screen shots here:
>
> http://www.csobeech.com/csob-sony.html
>
> Mike
>
> N2023W
> 1965 B-55/TC-971
> KDTO Denton, TX
> <mailto:mike(at)michaelcaban.com> mike(at)michaelcaban.com
> <http://www.csobeech.com/> http://www.CSOBeech.com
> <http://picasaweb.google.com/michaelcaban/BeechBaronN2023W>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/michaelcaban/BeechBaronN2023W
>
> "The flight is the reason, the destination is only an excuse!"
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: Fwd: B: www.Readerplates.com Pirep |
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Tim, you recently said you got a lifetime subscription. If you don't
mind can I ask what the cost on that was?
Robin
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:22 am Post subject: Fwd: B: www.Readerplates.com Pirep |
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Sure, it was a one-shot thing....but they had an email that
went out about their special, and the first 100
people ordering, got the deal. I paid $599 for a lifetime.
That was the EFB level, that goes for $299/yr. I think
their promo was basically pay for 2 years, get a lifetime.
So the IFR would probably have been $400.
They've never done it before, and not sure if they'll
ever do it again, but they usually have promo pricing
around every big aviation trade show and some random
other times in the year. Holding out may not save
tons and tons of money, but there are specials from time
to time.
It's not just all the sectionals/enroutes/plates, and all
that stuff that you get with their package, and the
EFB stuff being geo-referenced, either...they pay a
fee for every customer to 100LL.com for the fuel price
integration and all that stuff. Yeah, you can look it up
on airnav.com, but it's pretty cool to be flying along
in need of fuel before your planned destination, and
see all the prices of the nearby airports. Allowed me
to save over a buck a gallon on an impromptu stop, so
I figure that one trip I probably saved $50 or more by
having that package.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
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Robin Marks wrote:
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Tim, you recently said you got a lifetime subscription. If you don't
mind can I ask what the cost on that was?
Robin
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I have kept up on your PIREPS, it sounds like a full featured package
and with a lifetime deal assuming they are around for 10+ years you have
really put yourself in a good position especially because you already
like the package.
Thanks,
Robin
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: Fwd: B: www.Readerplates.com Pirep |
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Yeah, I don't know that I would have done it 2 years ago...when
I first bought ChartCase Express. I was not sure I'd be totally
sold on electronic charts. But, using them with Chart Case
was great...it's good software. But, then getting Voyager I
was a little concerned too....I didn't even delete my ChartCase,
in case I still wanted to use it with expired charts. But, after
a year with each of them, I'm now plenty happy giving up paper, and
Voyager provided enough cool features and better renewal pricing
so I now am very happy. They're both good packages, but there
are tons of differences.
Before that, I had tried the D-I-Y plates thing. You can get
a CD for something like $10/mo that gives all approach plates,
and I tried loading that on my tablet. It was clumsier to
use and of course WAY lacking in features, and viewing
big sheet charts was a real pain....almost useless without
GPS and geo-referencing. For a while I also had a script I
used to download all of my common approach plates and regions
from the FAA's chart site....and it would do it automatically and
keep them updated. But, I found all of that just a pain compared
to the ease of having a good software package.
Having up to date chart info and GPS Database info is really
a critical thing....it's way too easy to get busted because
you flew in somewhere on an old frequency or something. The
fact that with Voyager I can actually use it for flight planning,
and for in-flight use, is really handy, so now I've just
settled on what I plan to use for the long run.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying
do not archive
Robin Marks wrote:
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I have kept up on your PIREPS, it sounds like a full featured package
and with a lifetime deal assuming they are around for 10+ years you have
really put yourself in a good position especially because you already
like the package.
Thanks,
Robin
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LarryRosen
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| Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:26 pm Post subject: Re: Fwd: B: www.Readerplates.com Pirep |
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The e-books do have an advantage. They have superior sunlight readability. In fact the brighter it is the better they look. And long battery life.
But yes, gray scale with limited functionality.
Larry Rosen
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functionality. I hear sub-notebooks will come down a lot in price this
year, but that is the current barrier for some. Hard to get full
functioning sub-notebook with SSD and GPS for under a grand unless
used, etc.
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