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ptiller(at)lolacars.com
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:10 am    Post subject: Mod 64b - Revised Hi Top Reply with quote
Hi,

I'm planning on doing Mod 64b in due course. I'm wondering how much to stick to the manual ahead of this though as I can see the sizes of various parts being wrong.

If the top half of the fuselage is raised by 2" at the front, what happens to the following:

a. Rear Fuselage bulkhead.
b. Pitch Control Stop / Pushrod containment bulkhead.
c. Baggage Bay rear bulkhead.
d. Fuel Filler pipe.

I presume that if I build all of the above to the manual then none of them will reach when the top goes on in the raised position. What have people done about the items above or does the Mod 64b package include parts to adapt these?

Thanks,

Phil
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r.collings(at)onetel.net
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 6:16 am    Post subject: Mod 64b - Revised Hi Top Reply with quote
I am just about to embark on doing this mod, [I have yet to inform my
inspector poor chap!] . I have the kit of parts and subject to my inspectors
approval should start work in a couple of weeks. If you would like a look
see before I get started let me know off line at r.collings(at)onetel.net
regards Richard
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g-iani(at)ntlworld.com
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:19 am    Post subject: Mod 64b - Revised Hi Top Reply with quote
Phil

The point you raised are applicable to Mod 64 rather than Mod 64B.
Unfortunately when I wrote the changes/additions for 64B I did not revise
the basic instructions for fitting the high top. I hope the following
help:-

a) The rear bulkhead is in the "tail" (ie the lower moulding) so does not
change.

B) The pitch control stop / pushrod containment. The Main manual Page 20-4
gives the dimensions for the bulkhead. This has never been corrected for
the Hi-Top. The upper portion (above the dowel and rubber hose) needs to be
(from the drawings I have) 10mm taller.

C) The baggage bay rear bulkhead. In the centre (above the middle of the
"D" panel) it needs to be 27mm taller. No dimensions are given (see 28-9).
To get a good fit you will be shaping it to your aircraft. From memory
there is sufficient spare material in the moulding supplied.

D) The fuel filler (see 30-2). The filler goes in the normal position
relative to the door opening in the upper moulding. The instructions are to
trim the rubber hose elbow to fit. There is sufficient material to allow
for the 30mm increase in length.

Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
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frans(at)paardnatuurlijk.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:21 am    Post subject: Mod 64b - Revised Hi Top Reply with quote
flyingphil2 wrote:
Quote:

<ptiller(at)lolacars.com>

I'm planning on doing Mod 64b in due course. I'm wondering how much
to stick to the manual ahead of this though as I can see the sizes of
various parts being wrong.

If the top half of the fuselage is raised by 2" at the front, what
happens to the following:

a. Rear Fuselage bulkhead.
b. Pitch Control Stop / Pushrod
containment bulkhead.

I'm assuming you are still building your airplane? Otherwise this
modification would be a major surgery.

To my experience, the adjustments of these parts is very small, and
falls within the "fiddle-range" you would expect anyway (make it
slighltly too large and trim as needed). I'm assuming you "test-fit" the
top in order to cut these parts to their correct lengths.

Quote:
c. Baggage Bay rear bulkhead.

This one definitely needs some changes. I used 3mm plywood to make an
insert. It is attached to the flange of the bulkhead with some bid on
both sizes. When installing the bulkhead, it is a good idea to make the
plies of BID somewhat larger so at the sides they cover both the insert
and the bulkhead.

Quote:
d. Fuel Filler
pipe.

In my situation, this one is flexible enough to fit nicely.

BTW, the mod I did was slightly different. It started as a factory
installed mod-A (bought the kit from previous owner who had all the
factory accelerated options installed) , and when changing to mod-B, I
incorporated the changes only halfway. That is; I cut half of the
firewall enlargement away, and lowered the window-section also only
half-way. I bought the special upper cowling, and also trimmed it to a
size halfway between a normal cowling and a raised cowling. Now I still
have more panel space (1.5 inch taller firewall), excellent view over
the nose (1.5 inch more window at the bottom), quite a "standard"
exterior (I found the mod-B too much "aquarium-style" but taste is
personal of course), and the windscreen in a little bit more streamlined
position than in the standard mod-B. If you would go this route, you
will need the normal windscreen, but it takes some carefull cutting and
a slight extension of the rear flanges to get it all fitted nicely.

Frans

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ptiller(at)lolacars.com
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:51 am    Post subject: Mod 64b - Revised Hi Top Reply with quote
Thanks for all the responses. That pretty much answers my questions and so I'll just carry on as per manual but make sure I don't trim anything yet.

Regards,

Phil
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aireupora(at)sbcglobal.ne
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:48 pm    Post subject: Mod 64b - Revised Hi Top Reply with quote
The major problem I had with the 64B hi-top was the windscreen fitting. I'm going to have a lot of work getting it to fit correctly. The rear baggage bulkhead fits almost the same as it did before the hi-top mod. I did make the push rod bulkhead taller, but not very much.

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From: flyingphil2 <ptiller(at)lolacars.com>
Subject: Mod 64b - Revised Hi Top
To: europa-list(at)matronics.com
Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:05 PM

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--> Europa-List message posted by: "flyingphil2"
<ptiller(at)lolacars.com>

Hi,

I'm planning on doing Mod 64b in due course. I'm wondering how much to
stick to the manual ahead of this though as I can see the sizes of various parts
being wrong.

If the top half of the fuselage is raised by 2" at the front, what happens
to the following:

a. Rear Fuselage bulkhead.
b. Pitch Control Stop / Pushrod containment bulkhead.
c. Baggage Bay rear bulkhead.
d. Fuel Filler pipe.

I presume that if I build all of the above to the manual then none of them will
reach when the top goes on in the raised position. What have people done about
the items above or does the Mod 64b package include parts to adapt these?

Thanks,

Phil
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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