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KeysFox

Joined: 05 Jan 2009
Posts: 137

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: Wheels

I HAVE ESTIMATES OF $300 and $500 to weld brake disc attachment lugs on a new Douglas wheel for my for my 

Kitox IV 

Anyone have a less costly shop that can Get it done

B Jones

N154K

443 480 1023

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peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Posts: 224
Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 2:21 pm Post subject: Wheels

I know where you can get the wheels tires and brakes and landing gear 

assembly for $500.



Pete



Hell Paso

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Pete
Leander, TX
Kitfox III, 912ul, Grove

kitfox(at)bresnan.net
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:19 am Post subject: Wheels

Pete , I would be very interested in that set , if  he is not ! Please let 

me know .

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peteohms

Joined: 31 Oct 2007
Posts: 224
Location: Leander, TX

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:50 am Post subject: Wheels

DeWayne, I'll contact the owner and give him your email address.



Pete

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akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Wheels

that is robbery plain and simple.  It should take no more than an hour, to weld on 6 lugs.  It he was real slow it may take 2 hrs TOPS.  The average shop rate around here is 90.00 hr.  So you should be able to get them done for well under 200.00  I think a buddy paid about a 100.00 to get his done.

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Leonard Perry aka SNAKE
Soldotna AK
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582 (147 hrs and counting on the rebuild)
IVO IFA
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lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 11:13 am Post subject: Wheels

Leonard,



I wonder if $100 would do it.  I have often thought of how I would do it. 

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		  From what I have experienced with the wheels supplied by Denney and later 

Skystar, these are precision units.  Clunky, Yes, but precision 
	


never-the-less.  The rotor fits snugly and the holes line up in any rotor 

postion - and most importantly the rotor spins true.



Quick and dirty would give very poor rotor alignment unless you had the 

already shaped and drilled tabs in stock that could be jigged and welded. 

This, of course means you would either have to fabricate the jigs or have 

them on hand.  All this costs.  Let's see - fabricate six lugs,  drill and 

tap them,  position them precisely, weld in place, check for accuracy - 

start over again.



I agree that $400 is a lot of money, but we are talking here of a production 

run of two.    I would love to see the $100 wheels.



Lowell



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Lynn Matteson

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 2778
Location: Grass Lake, Michigan

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 1:58 pm Post subject: Wheels

I see a lathe being brought into service here....for the truing up of  

the lugs' surfaces after the welding. The radial positioning of the  

lugs' holes would have to be assured with a jig, but a small amount  

of radial runout would not be TOO big a deal, but best to start with  

a perfect radial runout and let the temperature have its way with it,  

then chuck up the wheel and do a cleanup facing cut, and collect the  

man's money. : )

Lynn Matteson

Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger

Jabiru 2200, #2062, 644.7 hrs

Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop

Electroair direct-fire ignition system

Status: flying

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On May 5, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Lowell Fitt wrote:

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 <lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net>

 Leonard,

 I wonder if $100 would do it.  I have often thought of how I would  

 do it.

> From what I have experienced with the wheels supplied by Denney  

> and later

 Skystar, these are precision units.  Clunky, Yes, but precision  

 never-the-less.  The rotor fits snugly and the holes line up in any  

 rotor postion - and most importantly the rotor spins true.

 Quick and dirty would give very poor rotor alignment unless you had  

 the already shaped and drilled tabs in stock that could be jigged  

 and welded. This, of course means you would either have to  

 fabricate the jigs or have them on hand.  All this costs.  Let's  

 see - fabricate six lugs,  drill and tap them,  position them  

 precisely, weld in place, check for accuracy - start over again.

 I agree that $400 is a lot of money, but we are talking here of a  

 production run of two.    I would love to see the $100 wheels.

 Lowell

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Kitfox IV-Jabiru 2200
N369LM

jdmcbean(at)kitfoxaircraf
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Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 2:35 pm Post subject: Wheels

I'll try again.. Seems the last email did not go through.



We can weld them. Give us a call.

Fly Safe !!

John & Debra McBean

Ph 208.337.5111

www.kitfoxaircraft.com 

"The Sky is not the Limit...  It's a Playground" 





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akflyerbob

Joined: 06 Jan 2008
Posts: 30
Location: Soldotna, Alaska

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Wheels

I'm the buddy Leni is talking about.

I made the weld lugs,drilled and tapped and bolted to the disks.

Used a 3/4 bolt as an axel installed in the hub, hub bolted in the

wheel ( now the other three holes can be drilled in the wheel) 

The head of the bolt clamped in a vice so the wheel can be rotated

to align the brake disk. A little filing for alignment and welded.

Their straight and work fine.

It was simple but if I could buy them I wouldn't do it again. My wheels

won't fit another fox with out wheel spacers aligning rotor to caliper.

Cost me $130 for 1 1/2 hr of welder/shop time

Bob

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malpass

Joined: 27 Aug 2007
Posts: 39
Location: Marietta, Georgia

Posted: Tue May 05, 2009 6:51 pm Post subject: Wheels

roger that.  I can see what made it tough for you.



I just bought a new douglas wheel like my old one and proceeded like I had 

mentioned before.  The rotor , bolts and old lugs where the template, it was 

a matter of cutting off the old lugs and rewelding making sure the inset 

diminsion was accurate.  I had no runout at all so mine was successful.  You 

want to avoid the redneck welders though.



Bill

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akflyer

Joined: 07 May 2007
Posts: 574
Location: Soldotna AK

Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Wheels

 	  lcfitt(at)sbcglobal.net wrote: 	
		  Leonard,



I wonder if $100 would do it.  I have often thought of how I would do it. 

 	  Quote: 	
		  From what I have experienced with the wheels supplied by Denney and later 

Skystar, these are precision units.  Clunky, Yes, but precision 

	


never-the-less.  The rotor fits snugly and the holes line up in any rotor 

postion - and most importantly the rotor spins true.



Quick and dirty would give very poor rotor alignment unless you had the 

already shaped and drilled tabs in stock that could be jigged and welded. 

This, of course means you would either have to fabricate the jigs or have 

them on hand.  All this costs.  Let's see - fabricate six lugs,  drill and 

tap them,  position them precisely, weld in place, check for accuracy - 

start over again.



I agree that $400 is a lot of money, but we are talking here of a production 

run of two.    I would love to see the $100 wheels.



Lowell



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We build entire pipe systems everyday that bolt in and fit with 0 tolerance,  a brake rotor is not a huge undertaking.  I guess I am just a get it done guy and don't spend alot of time analyzing every thing that could go wrong.  I just roll my sleeves and get'er done.  No need for me to put things on paper or look at it a hundred ways from sunday 99% of the time, just get an idea and run with it.

rob10(at)tlb.sympatico.ca
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 5:07 pm Post subject: Wheels

I have a set of wheels with the lugs already welded  on and the turf tires for sale.

 Contact me off list if interested : rob10(at)tlb.sympatico.ca (rob10(at)tlb.sympatico.ca)

 Jack-Classic-1V-1200

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