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		edgraydallas
 
 
  Joined: 13 Jun 2008 Posts: 74 Location: Dallas, Tx
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				 Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:08 am    Post subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 | 
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				Kitfoxers,  I am about ready to test fly my KII width 582 and GSC 3 blade
 prop.  This is a 1990 Kit I bought and started working on last spring.
 Question:  My horizontal stabilizer has two possible AOA settings, one
 places the surface parallel to the horizontal tube in the vertical fin. The
 other hole places the leading edge one half inch lower.  My build manual
 suggests that I start with the lower position for more nose up trim.  My
 local "expert" says make it parallel.  I have the cambered wing.  Any
 suggestions or advice?
 
 Ed Gray, Dallas
 
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		akflyerbob
 
  
  Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 30 Location: Soldotna, Alaska
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				 Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:32 am    Post subject: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 | 
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				I have a Kit fox Mod 1 and wish it had two holes to choose from.
 I think it depends on where your weight and balance came in.
 If it is forward, like mine, I would chose the lower one for more
 nose up. Mine varies with speed, slower is hold back pressure, faster,
 75 or more, hold forward pressure and trim with flaps.
 Bob
 
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		skyflyte(at)comcast.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 8:49 am    Post subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 | 
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				I have a model II (#490), 509 lbs.,582 w/GSC 3 blade prop.  I built it with the stablizer in the lower of the two holes and never had a reason to move it up.  I trim it with the flapperons and always want just a bit of back pressure during straight & level flight. 
 Mike Cannon 
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		Lynn Matteson
 
 
  Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 2778 Location: Grass Lake, Michigan
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				 Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 10:38 am    Post subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 | 
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				The instructions say to use the lower hole...I would follow the  
 instructions versus the local "expert" who probably ISN'T familiar  
 with the Kitfox. On my plane I ended up drilling a hole even lower  
 that the two provided...and I'm still using that same bottom hole,  
 almost 700 hours later.
 
 Lynn Matteson
 Kitfox IV Speedster, taildragger
 Jabiru 2200, #2062, 680.8 hrs
 Sensenich 62x46 Wood prop
 Electroair direct-fire ignition system
 Status: flying
 
 
 On Jun 21, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Ed Gray wrote:
 
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  Kitfoxers,  I am about ready to test fly my KII width 582 and GSC 3  
  blade
  prop.  This is a 1990 Kit I bought and started working on last spring.
  Question:  My horizontal stabilizer has two possible AOA settings, one
  places the surface parallel to the horizontal tube in the vertical  
  fin. The
  other hole places the leading edge one half inch lower.  My build  
  manual
  suggests that I start with the lower position for more nose up  
  trim.  My
  local "expert" says make it parallel.  I have the cambered wing.  Any
  suggestions or advice?
 
  Ed Gray, Dallas
 
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		Guy Buchanan
 
  
  Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 1204 Location: Ramona, CA
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				 Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:07 pm    Post subject: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 | 
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				At 08:07 AM 6/21/2009, you wrote:
  	  | Quote: | 	 		  My build manual
 suggests that I start with the lower position for more nose up trim.  My
 local "expert" says make it parallel.  I have the cambered wing.  Any
 suggestions or advice?
 
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          You've got a light engine and prop. The CG is probably 
 fairly far back.This usually leads to a desire for less negative 
 incidence on the horizontal. (i.e. parallel) I run my horizontal as 
 high in the front as I can.
 Guy Buchanan
 San Diego, CA
 K-IV 1200 / 582-C / Warp / 300 hrs. and counting
 
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		Tom Jones
 
  
  Joined: 12 Mar 2006 Posts: 752 Location: Ellensburg, WA
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				 Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 | 
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				Ed, this may be apples and oranges as my experience is in a Classic 4.  It has three front horizontal stab mount holes spaced 1/2 inch between each.  With the front stab mount bolt in the top hole it takes a slight one finger back pressure on the stick to maintain level flight.  In the middle hole it takes a slight one finger foreward pressure to maintain level.
 
 That kitfox is designed to trim the nose down with a little bit of flaps.  For best rigging you are looking for a slight forward pressure on the stick to maintain level flight.  Then you can trim the nose down to level with a little bit of flaps.
 
 Anyhow it shouldn't be a significant problem to fly with either, you'll just have to try it and see where it flys best.
 
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503 Rotax, 72 inch Two blade Warp
 
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		dave
 
  
  Joined: 22 Sep 2006 Posts: 1382
 
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				 Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:13 am    Post subject: Re: Kitfox-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 06/18/09 | 
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				When on wheels use the top hole
 
 When I convert to floats i Lower the horiz stab to the lower hole
 
 Mine is a model IV
 
 My first choice is top hole.   Also I have no elevator trim and flys hands free.  If you have trim then it would likely not matter what hole you use.
 
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