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kearney
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Hi
This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49th who plans to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has changed entry rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the current rules and found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed last year now has to be filed electronically. The kicker is that the EAPIS system takes, according to the website, 5-7 days to issue an ID. Without the ID you can’t file the form which means no flying into the US from Canada.
What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification of your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to find logic in that….
Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this process aren’t the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / health / … industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy.
Cheers
Les “hoping for an ID by next Thursday”
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:10 pm Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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I know, that eAPIS stuff.....gee whiz! I thought it was hillarious
that in order to LEAVE to go to the Bahamas you'd now be forced
to file with eAPIS. Can you imagine: You're a terrorist who wants
to get out of the U.S., so you decide that you're going to apply
for a CBP account to eAPIS and file your manifest. Really, is
all this process going to stop anyone from doing anything at all?
I think though that you'll find getting your account set up
takes less time than the site quotes. But, if you're
flying in from out of the U.S. I'd suggest getting online TODAY
and starting the process.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
Les Kearney wrote:
| Quote: | Hi
This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49^th who plans
to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has changed entry
rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the current rules and
found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed last year now has to be
filed electronically. The kicker is that the EAPIS system takes,
according to the website, 5-7 days to issue an ID. Without the ID you
can’t file the form which means no flying into the US from Canada.
What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification of
your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to find
logic in that….
Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this process
aren’t the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / health / …
industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy.
Cheers
Les “hoping for an ID by next Thursday”
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bcondrey
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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Les,
I had been meaning to set up an account and your email motivated me to
get on it. Interestingly the email activating the account came within
minutes of filling out the initial form online.
Bob
Les Kearney wrote:
| Quote: | Hi
This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49^th who
plans
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| Quote: | to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has changed entry
rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the current rules and
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| Quote: | found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed last year now has to
be
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| Quote: | filed electronically. The kicker is that the EAPIS system takes,
according to the website, 5-7 days to issue an ID. Without the ID you
can't file the form which means no flying into the US from Canada.
What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification of
your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to find
logic in that....
Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this
process
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Cheers
Les "hoping for an ID by next Thursday"
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rene(at)felker.com
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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Sorry to say, same guys are running the auto/bank/…..etc in the us.
How long is the login good for? I am not planning on crossing the boarder soon, but you never know. Do you think I should get one now just in case I decide to do A fall trip up to the “correct” side of the 49th?
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:29 PM
To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com
Subject: Crossing the border blues
Hi
This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49th who plans to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has changed entry rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the current rules and found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed last year now has to be filed electronically. The kicker is that the EAPIS system takes, according to the website, 5-7 days to issue an ID. Without the ID you can’t file the form which means no flying into the US from Canada.
What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification of your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to find logic in that….
Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this process aren’t the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / health / … industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy.
Cheers
Les “hoping for an ID by next Thursday” | Quote: | | http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV10-List |
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kearney
Joined: 20 Sep 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:14 pm Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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Hmmm
The account id showed up in less than an hour. If that is all that it takes
why do they say it "usually arrives in 5-7 days"? Overstating the time
requirements does no one any favours and just causes needless concerns.
Perhaps they are just setting the bar so low anyone can fall over it and
claim to be a hero.
</Rant on>
Anyway, I am glad to hear that the US is now tracking all terrorists who are
leaving the country. I hope they let us know when they are coming north of
the 49th. Then again Janet Napolitano recently claimed that the 911
terrorists entered the US via Canada so I don't hold out much hope...
</Rant off>
Cheers
Les
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kearney
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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I would do it now and then check what the rules are a month or so before the trip. I have been going to kosh since 1997 and every year since 911 the rules change. Usually for the worse.
Cheers
Les
Sent from my iPhone
On 2009-07-17, at 2:41 PM, Rene Felker <rene(at)felker.com (rene(at)felker.com)> wrote:
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Sorry to say, same guys are running the auto/bank/…..etc in the us.
How long is the login good for? I am not planning on crossing the boarder soon, but you never know. Do you think I should get one now just in case I decide to do A fall trip up to the “correct” side of the 49th?
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com (owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com) [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Les Kearney
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:29 PM
To: [url=mailto:rv10-list(at)matronics.com]rv10-list(at)matronics.com (rv10-list(at)matronics.com)[/url]
Subject: Crossing the border blues
Hi
This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49th who plans to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has changed entry rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the current rules and found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed last year now has to be filed electronically. The kicker is that the EAPIS system takes, according to the website, 5-7 days to issue an ID. Without the ID you can’t file the form which means no flying into the US from Canada.
What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification of your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to find logic in that….
Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this process aren’t the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / health / … industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy.
Cheers
Les “hoping for an ID by next Thursday” 0123456789
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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If you are planning on doing ANY international flying, it would pay
to get the login. It should be a one-time thing. And, if you
have any possible plans to do international flying, you'll
also need a customs sticker and that can take 4 weeks to
get. So, plan ahead for those things. The customs sticker
is $27.50/yr, so it's cheap enough you could buy one each
year if you think there's a chance you could use it.
It pays to be prepared though. For our Bahamas trip I wanted
to use eAPIS to file the return manifest and the online
setup was complicated enough that I couldn't do it on the
spur of the moment. Getting the customs sticker is kind of
a pain, web wise, too...their site simple sucks. Helpful
people via phone though. Also, if you are thinking Bahamas, or
somewhere NOT Canada, then it takes a short while for the
Radio permits (I got both) too. I was going to try to
just get the one and cheat on the other, but it's a one-time
lifetime fee, so decided the best bet in todays climate is
to be 100% legal.
Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD
do not archive
Rene Felker wrote:
| Quote: | Sorry to say, same guys are running the auto/bank/…..etc in the us.
How long is the login good for? I am not planning on crossing the
boarder soon, but you never know. Do you think I should get one now
just in case I decide to do A fall trip up to the “correct” side of the
49^th ?
Rene' Felker
RV-10 N423CF Flying
801-721-6080
*From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Les Kearney
*Sent:* Friday, July 17, 2009 1:29 PM
*To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
*Subject:* Crossing the border blues
Hi
This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49^th who plans
to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has changed entry
rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the current rules and
found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed last year now has to be
filed electronically. The kicker is that the EAPIS system takes,
according to the website, 5-7 days to issue an ID. Without the ID you
can’t file the form which means no flying into the US from Canada.
What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification of
your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to find
logic in that….
Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this process
aren’t the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / health / …
industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy.
Cheers
Les “hoping for an ID by next Thursday”
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gengrumpy(at)aol.com
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 1:51 pm Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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Les -no worry that these DHS folks are running the other government
takeovers.
The latest crop of government oversee'ers is worse than DHS, if you
can believe that!
The latest great example is the new "car czar" who is a former hard
line, old time union boss with NO experience running a business......
What are the immigration rules for exiles running north for
freedom .... -
grumpy
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> To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com
> *Subject:* Crossing the border blues
> Hi
> This is a heads up for anyone on the correct side of the 49^th who
> plans to head to KOSH. Apparently the CBP section of DHS has
> changed entry rules again. I called a nearby port of entry for the
> current rules and found out that the Form 178 that had to be faxed
> last year now has to be filed electronically. The kicker is that
> the EAPIS system takes, according to the website, 5-7 days to issue
> an ID. Without the ID you can’t file the form which means no flying
> into the US from Canada.
> What is absolutely hilarious is that you have to file notification
> of your exit from the US when returning to Canada. I defy anyone to
> find logic in that….
> Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this
> process aren’t the same ones who are now running the auto / bank /
> health / … industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy.
> Cheers
> Les “hoping for an ID by next Thursday”
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Albert Gardner
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 7:39 am Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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Last year you could pay for the US Customs sticker when you landed back in
the US as opposed to applying for it in advance. 2 new problems for me when
flying to Mexico: Mexican insurance for experimentals through Baja Bush
Pilots took a jump from $100/yr to $400/yr and in October 406 ELT's are
mandatory down there. Also, a new requirement to have the hitherto ignored
radiotelephone operators license with you. If you have one of these you
might be an old guy.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
PS: I've also heard something about a new requirement for a station license
for the plane.
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:52 am Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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I'm not quite am old guy yet but in 2009 I got both the station
license and radiotelephone permit. If you're planning some cool
tropical trips you may as well just get them. One is 10 year, and the
other is lifetime. I hate Mexican (or other foreign) jails. 
Tim
On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:35 AM, "Albert Gardner" <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com>
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Last year you could pay for the US Customs sticker when you landed
back in
the US as opposed to applying for it in advance. 2 new problems for
me when
flying to Mexico: Mexican insurance for experimentals through Baja
Bush
Pilots took a jump from $100/yr to $400/yr and in October 406 ELT's
are
mandatory down there. Also, a new requirement to have the hitherto
ignored
radiotelephone operators license with you. If you have one of these
you
might be an old guy.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
PS: I've also heard something about a new requirement for a station
license
for the plane.
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deej(at)deej.net
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 9:36 am Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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On 7/17/2009 3:29 PM, Les Kearney wrote:
| Quote: | Please, please tell me that the mental giants who designed this process
aren’t the same ones who are now running the auto / bank / health / …
industries in the US. If they are, God help your economy.
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Hi Les, fortunately we got rid of those "mental giants" last November.
Unfortunately it seems their same evil minions are still in place
within the dark caverns of DHS/TSA, so it doesn't seem we are much
better off with the new set of "mental giants" that were voted in. The
"change" I am looking for is the elimination of the DHS and TSA, the
Patriot Act, and the DMCA, but I'm not holding my breath.
I think I'll go sniff some fiberglass resin today to take my mind off
it.
-Dj, completely and utterly frustrated with our totalitarian-minded
government
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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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For those who either are completely new to this process and/or haven't
fully followed this type of thread in the past, does anybody have a
list of links, including the iAPIS, Customs Sticker and Radio Station
License(s) on the internet where these things can be read about,
ordered, applied for, etc?
Thanks and do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
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I'm not quite am old guy yet but in 2009 I got both the station
license and radiotelephone permit. If you're planning some cool
tropical trips you may as well just get them. One is 10 year, and
the other is lifetime. I hate Mexican (or other foreign) jails.
Tim
On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:35 AM, "Albert Gardner"
<ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> wrote:
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> Last year you could pay for the US Customs sticker when you landed
> back in
> the US as opposed to applying for it in advance. 2 new problems for
> me when
> flying to Mexico: Mexican insurance for experimentals through Baja
> Bush
> Pilots took a jump from $100/yr to $400/yr and in October 406 ELT's
> are
> mandatory down there. Also, a new requirement to have the hitherto
> ignored
> radiotelephone operators license with you. If you have one of these
> you
> might be an old guy.
> Albert Gardner
> Yuma, AZ
> PS: I've also heard something about a new requirement for a station
> license
> for the plane.
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Tim Olson
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| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 6:42 pm Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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I can pass on some of that....I built such a page for us for the
Bahamas....give me a day or two and I'll have time to dig it up.
Tim
On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Jesse Saint <jesse(at)saintaviation.com>
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For those who either are completely new to this process and/or
haven't fully followed this type of thread in the past, does anybody
have a list of links, including the iAPIS, Customs Sticker and Radio
Station License(s) on the internet where these things can be read
about, ordered, applied for, etc?
Thanks and do not archive.
Jesse Saint
Saint Aviation, Inc.
jesse(at)saintaviation.com
Cell: 352-427-0285
Fax: 815-377-3694
On Jul 18, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Tim Olson wrote:
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> I'm not quite am old guy yet but in 2009 I got both the station
> license and radiotelephone permit. If you're planning some cool
> tropical trips you may as well just get them. One is 10 year, and
> the other is lifetime. I hate Mexican (or other foreign) jails.
> Tim
>
> On Jul 18, 2009, at 10:35 AM, "Albert Gardner"
> <ibspud(at)roadrunner.com> wrote:
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>> Last year you could pay for the US Customs sticker when you landed
>> back in
>> the US as opposed to applying for it in advance. 2 new problems
>> for me when
>> flying to Mexico: Mexican insurance for experimentals through Baja
>> Bush
>> Pilots took a jump from $100/yr to $400/yr and in October 406
>> ELT's are
>> mandatory down there. Also, a new requirement to have the hitherto
>> ignored
>> radiotelephone operators license with you. If you have one of
>> these you
>> might be an old guy.
>> Albert Gardner
>> Yuma, AZ
>> PS: I've also heard something about a new requirement for a
>> station license
>> for the plane.
>>
>>
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>>
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Albert Gardner
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| Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:40 am Post subject: Crossing the border blues |
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I took the AOPA on-line course for eAPIS this morning then logged onto the
DHS's eAPIS web site to apply for an account. Got the confirmation back in 5
minutes. Apparently the saying 'Your past catches up with you' isn't always
true.
Albert Gardner
Yuma, AZ
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