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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:13 am Post subject: New Kolb Group , free site

Hey Guys,

                Just thought I'd see what kind of response this gets....

 The sites have all the options , Pictures , archives,files,links etc.

 Here's the address.... 



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/



  Hope to see you there....at least try it...

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                Gotta Fly...

Mike & "Jaz" in MN

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planecrazzzy
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:33 am Post subject: Re: New Kolb Group , free site

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John Hauck

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 4639
Location: Titus, Alabama (hauck's holler)

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 7:46 am Post subject: New Kolb Group , free site

>  I would like to turn the ownership over to someone like John or Richard.

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Mike P/Gang:



I monitor two email lists, this one and a nonaviation list.  About all I can 

handle.



I am one among many on the Kolb List and intend to keep it that way.



My experience indicates lists do best when they are self-policing and honor 

the List Commandments that Matt Dralle post each month and none of us bother 

to read.  If each of us would read and comprehend these commandments, we 

would not have to wade through a lot of unnecessary BS to get to the meat of 

the List, which should be building and flying Kolbs, period.....



Thanks, but I'll stick to this List which I have been a member of since I 

got my computer in 1998.



john h

mkIII

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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler
Titus, Alabama

planecrazzzy
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: Re: New Kolb Group , free site

Hi John,

             I can understand what your saying....

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John Bickham

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 170
Location: St. Francisville, LA

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:27 am Post subject: Re: New Kolb Group , free site

Mike, et al,



Respectfully submit:



While at times I share your frustrations with some post on the list, I'd hate to see the Kolb group splintered.



I too have been a member of the Kolb list since 1998.  Not a volume contributor.  Always thought I had a lot more to learn than to expound.  The early days of the list were much more cordial.  I think that was because the topics were mostly about putting planes together and flying.  Not finite details like tweaking the last incremental performance out of a 60 to 75 mph airplane.  We get into trouble when we dive off into discussions that require more theory and opinions than facts and actual Kolb flying.  The list and group of Kolb flyers has grown.



As with any large group or gathering, hard to keep everyone happy and playing well together.  Suspect that will eventually become an issue with any new list that is started.



Not everyone in this world agrees with me.  As I get older, hardly anyone!



But I am grateful to this list and its contributors. With the help of this list, I was able to put together a nice flying machine, on my own, with no other outside assistance.



I'd venture to say, that any new list will eventually encounter the same difficulties unless it is strictly censored.  Not a proponent of that.  Another yahoo aviation group just went through the same turmoil (Bearhawk).   



Challenge is to accept "darn diversity".  Lot more good than bad!  



So, I'll decline.  Staying with this list.  Appreciate your and others help along the way.  Sorry, but just a few post don't get read completely, when they take a turn in the wrong direction. Try not to fuel the fire with a response.  Like being married, gotta take the good with the bad, sometimes quietly.



Made some solid friends along the way.  Lost some good ones in that time.  Seen some exceptional places and flying of Kolb planes.  Like the VG fly-off between John H and Richard P at the TNK homecoming.  Different positions, but gentlemen at the same time.  Tried to settle it with a demonstration and facts.  I thought it was a tie.  Takes skill and confidence to fly that slow at 100 to 150 feet the length of the runway.  I'm not that good.



Aviating has a way of humbling us all eventually, at least in my personal experience.  I'm patiently waiting.



Thanks to mostly all.   Don't let the bad guys win!  Fly more, type less!

Above all, stay safe!



Do not archive.

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Thanks too much,

John Bickham
Mark III-C w/ 912UL
St. Francisville, LA

I know many pilots and a few true aviators. There is a distinct difference that I have the greatest respect for.

planecrazzzy
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: Re: New Kolb Group , free site

This is more of an opportunity for some.... instead of just leaving the list,

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/

 and everybody gets FREE ICE CREAM....

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NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: New Kolb Group , free site

Mike/All



I will also be staying. I think it would be best that this group stays 

together as the very best source of Kolb information and help.



Do not archive



Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW Powered MKIIIC

NeilsenRM(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 10:37 am Post subject: New Kolb Group , free site

Mike/All



I just did a search on "Insurance" to find the post on the inexpensive 

liability insurance that was posted a few years back.  Within two minutes I 

was able to find the exact post I was looking for. Your free site will not 

have the archive and will likely not be able to build or search one. There 

is more to a list than just starting out free and having censors.



Sorry for the additional post



do not archive



Rick Neilsen

Redrive VW powered MKIIIC

planecrazzzy
Guest

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 11:32 am Post subject: Re: New Kolb Group , free site

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Dana

Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 1047
Location: Connecticut, USA

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: New Kolb Group , free site

I see no need for a new group... it just splits up the useful information 

and will in the end have the same occasional issues with a few 

individuals.  And although I also belong to a number of yahoo groups, it's 

MUCH easier to find information in the archives of this group.



Now, let's drop this tiresome subject and talk about something new and 

non-controversial.  I hear there's this stuff called Seafoam you put in 

your engine, what do y'all think? 



-Dana

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  Access denied--nah nah na nah nah!

herbgh(at)nctc.com
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 5:19 pm Post subject: New Kolb Group , free site

I own a world wide Yahoo group of over 1200 members...Lots of photo 

storage....since 2004.... I have two other moderators...and so 

far...I have banned maybe two or three members..



   Be sure to  okay new members...that keeps the porn and 

spammers  away... ...If a prospective member does not include a 

sentence or two as to why they want a membership...then I disallow ...



   my suggestion is to  remember that you have members from all over 

the world .  Their ideas and outlook may be and are often 

different...  One thing that can not  be tolerated is name 

calling...or country calling...  I don't ban members for calling me 

names by the way!   Better have a thick skin and a good sense of 

humor...  Herb

ps   I think Hauck would be a good moderator for one... I may not 

agree  on all things...but I have a lot of respect for him... after 

all ...I sat through his 10 hour "trip to Alaska slide presentation 

at TNK"... still smarting over the wal mart ribbon( I think it is 

sizing tape) thing however!!     Sometimes I call him a rusty ole 

nut!!   Herb

At 10:13 AM 8/28/2009, you wrote:

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Hey Guys,

                 Just thought I'd see what kind of response this gets....



  The Tailwind group used to be here on the Matronics , but they moved



on to a Free yahoo group site , and are going strong...



  The sites have all the options , Pictures , archives,files,links etc.



   I would like to turn the ownership over to someone like John or Richard.



   If it doesn't work out... I'll just delete the site... no problem



  But I think it's worth a try...



  Here's the address.... I put John's Bird on the Homepage



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/



   Hope to see you there....at least try it...

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Ya know.... JP is even welcome.... But be careful.... You could be banned

for a while.... depends who's in charge...and their moderators....



                 Gotta Fly...

Mike & "Jaz" in MN



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pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:41 am Post subject: New Kolb Group , free site

But the other site will have Builders / Flyers also...and it won't have the 

Bickering...>>



Oh yes it will, if the same guys move.



Pat

Richard Pike

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 1671
Location: Blountville, Tennessee

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 6:13 am Post subject: Re: New Kolb Group , free site

planecrazzzy

Joined: 10 Jan 2006

Posts: 638	

PostPosted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: New Kolb Group , free site 	Reply with quote

Hi John,

I can understand what your saying....

I have talked with others , who have started various "specialized"

forums for their "Type" of Kolb Aircraft.... Basically for the same reason...

Because the list "does" need policing.... or at least the threat of it...

I was hoping to get "you" on board... I would have gladly made you the

"owner" of the site.... There are people joining the site....Once I see

someone to take it over... I'll put them as owner....

at least it'll be source of info without the bickering...

Richard ( Old Poop )... I'd like to see you there... I know you'd make a

great Owner/moderator.... and you have the kind of Knowledge this

position would need....

You could still pop in the matronics site if you need a taste of it...



Gotta Fly...

Mike & "Jaz" in MN 

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Thanks but no thanks. Not interested in reinventing a perfectly good wheel. 

This list may have occasional problems, and occasionally I'm one of them, so I will make a serious effort to work on patience. And now is probably a good time to apologize to Matt and the list for not having enough.

Let's all take a deep breath and just wait to see what the future holds.



Shalom.



Richard Pike

MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)

planecrazzzy
Guest

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:48 am Post subject: Re: New Kolb Group , free site

No Pat... I can Guarantee  it won't....



 and there's 



 FREE ICE CREAM !!!



( Only in the Winter.... Yellow Ice Cream )



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Gotta Fly...

Mike & "Jaz" in MN



Kolb Forum "Without" the Hassle  

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/



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Oh yes it will, if the same guys move.



Pat

ces308

Joined: 03 Nov 2008
Posts: 317
Location: houghton lake ,mi

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: New Kolb Group , free site

No thanks.....one is enough....



Good luck !



chris ambrose

M3X/jab

planecrazzzy
Guest

Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 9:07 am Post subject: Re: New Kolb Group , free site

That's funny....

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 Oooo .. Oooo ,  I'm not going ?!?!

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 HA !

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No Ice Cream for you !

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 Gotta Fly...

Kolb List... Because "He's Back..." http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kolbaircraft/

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