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Eric_Kallio

Joined: 29 Jan 2006
Posts: 149
Location: Baton Rouge, LA

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:30 pm Post subject: sections 11 and 12

For those of you who have allready moved on past the emmpenage kit and maybe even flying or close to it, what is your experience on sections 11 and 12. I am getting ready to rivet the tailcone in the upcoming weeks. Does it make sense to complete the next 2 sections fully and then take it apart and keep it dis-assembled for a while, or are those sections that should wait until perhaps the finishing kit when I am assuming all the controls are rigged to the cyclic (forgive that term it is the helicopter pilot in me coming out)? Just trying to stay ahead of the game here. Thanks.

Eric 

40518 Tailcone

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Randy(at)abros.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 3:59 pm Post subject: sections 11 and 12

Build it per the plans if room is not an issue. One section at a time.

Randy



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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:04 pm Post subject: sections 11 and 12

Since I was waiting on my QB wings and Fuselage I did most of sections 

11 & 12, and then took it apart for storage.  Ideally you would complete 

the sections and keep them together, and for those working in a hanger 

they can do that.  It will not work in my garage.  Another advantage of 

doing most of 11 & 12 early is that it will speed up final assembly.  In 

my garage I would not be able to put the tail feathers on a fuselage 

with the engine.  Just not enough space. 



Sorry not a definitive answer, but some things to think about.



Larry



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For those of you who have allready moved on past the emmpenage kit and maybe even flying or close to it, what is your experience on sections 11 and 12. I am getting ready to rivet the tailcone in the upcoming weeks. Does it make sense to complete the next 2 sections fully and then take it apart and keep it dis-assembled for a while, or are those sections that should wait until perhaps the finishing kit when I am assuming all the controls are rigged to the cyclic (forgive that term it is the helicopter pilot in me coming out)? Just trying to stay ahead of the game here. Thanks.

Eric 

40518 Tailcone





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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:28 pm Post subject: sections 11 and 12

I appreciate the advice from Larry and Randy, but being at that same stage,

and even having the room, I do not see what the rationale is to take my

pieces off the walls and expose them to hanger rash if I don't have to.

What is the "have to" rationale behind doing those two steps at this time,

other than Larry's good point about getting them done.  I'd rather, I think,

move on to the wings and have the empennage pieces safely out of the way.

Is it okay to assemble them, then take them apart and store them, or is this

not a good thing to do?  



John Jessen

  ~328 (Tailcone being disassembled soon for final deburrrrrrrring) 



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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: sections 11 and 12

I don't see any problem with doing it either way.  There's nothing

really in section 11&12 that's too awful dependent on the rest

of the build.  I did mine after the fact, and others did it

in order.  I don't think there's a problem doing it and disassembling

them either, John...it just doesn't matter much at all.  I, like

you and others, don't have room to have an assembled empennage

sitting around, which is why I did it that way.  One other thing...

even if you assemble it all, it'll be a heck of a lot easier to

join the tailcone to the fuselage later if you don't have all

those tail feathers attached.  That doesn't mean you can't

complete them, just something to think about.  I guess I'd just

do whatever feels best, and if you choose to push on to the wings,

but have a hold-up of some sort, you can always touch on those

sections while you wait.   One item that may be worth finishing off

in order is just to assemble the trim mechanism though...just so

you have fewer parts laying around to lose.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



John Jessen wrote:

[quote] 

 

 I appreciate the advice from Larry and Randy, but being at that same stage,

 and even having the room, I do not see what the rationale is to take my

 pieces off the walls and expose them to hanger rash if I don't have to.

 What is the "have to" rationale behind doing those two steps at this time,

 other than Larry's good point about getting them done.  I'd rather, I think,

 move on to the wings and have the empennage pieces safely out of the way.

 Is it okay to assemble them, then take them apart and store them, or is this

 not a good thing to do?  

 

 John Jessen

   ~328 (Tailcone being disassembled soon for final deburrrrrrrring) 

 

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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:15 pm Post subject: sections 11 and 12

There is no problem with assembling them in order and then either leaving

them or disassembling them and putting the tail feathers away.  Personally,

I think it is a little bit of a bear to put them on in the first place.

This time, we are not going to do those sections, probably, until we

absolutely have to.  It has to be done before painting because the

intersection fairing has to be fit, but beyond that, I don't see any reason

that it can't be done at the very end.  Again, this is just an opinion.  If

I could avoid putting them on until I am ready to fly, I would do so, except

for the fairing.  Also, you really need to have them assembled part of the

way at least to fit the fairings of the individual pieces.  I think they can

be temporarily fit for these stages, though, without torquing the nuts and

stuff like that.



My $.02



Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

 

I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of

May.  You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check

from down here.  Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at

352-465-4545.



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armywrights(at)adelphia.n
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Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 8:10 pm Post subject: sections 11 and 12

I've just completed this part, as much as I'm going to do for a while on it.

I went all the way up until where it starts you fitting gap seal and the emp

fairing, which I don't even have yet.



I also completed the trim mechanism/assembly, and am glad I did.  It took me

a while to get the adjustments correct for full travel on the servo.  I

noticed the motor would slow down and bind itself to a stop on one extreme,

yet at the other extreme it would shut itself off very smartly.  My advice

on that is to once again take the initial measurements as a starting point

only, then adjust to get full range of travel both on the servo as well as

on the trim tabs.



My heartache with this though is having to remove the trim cables and

assembly - it sure was hard to get in there!  Oh well, I've already got some

small gauge wire wrapped around the ends to pull back through later.



Rob #392

Working on QB shipment -- it's at Vans!



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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 4:49 am Post subject: sections 11 and 12

Rob's comments triggered a memory.  Another builder tipped me off

to doublecheck my clearance on the bolt holding a rod end for

the trim cable.  We both had minimal clearance, and if you tweaked

the rotating arm just right, you could snag the bolt on the trim

bracket slot's edge as it rotated through.  I had to file a little

extra out of the slot to give it good clearance.  Everyone doublecheck

that you don't have that issue or you could end up with stuck trim.

It's easy to see if you just use a small battery to have the trim

actuate fully in both directions, and it doesn't require the trim

bracket assembly to be mounted to the tailcone.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying



Robert G. Wright wrote:

[quote] 

 

 I've just completed this part, as much as I'm going to do for a while on it.

 I went all the way up until where it starts you fitting gap seal and the emp

 fairing, which I don't even have yet.

 

 I also completed the trim mechanism/assembly, and am glad I did.  It took me

 a while to get the adjustments correct for full travel on the servo.  I

 noticed the motor would slow down and bind itself to a stop on one extreme,

 yet at the other extreme it would shut itself off very smartly.  My advice

 on that is to once again take the initial measurements as a starting point

 only, then adjust to get full range of travel both on the servo as well as

 on the trim tabs.

 

 My heartache with this though is having to remove the trim cables and

 assembly - it sure was hard to get in there!  Oh well, I've already got some

 small gauge wire wrapped around the ends to pull back through later.

 

 Rob #392

 Working on QB shipment -- it's at Vans!

 

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jjessen(at)rcn.com
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Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: sections 11 and 12

For what it's worth, last night I took a look at all the steps through

Sections 11 & 12, while having the usual sophisticated after deburring

cocktail (Bud), and I found nothing that would indicate that you needed to

do either section after Section 10.  You could hang those puppies up and

forget about them.  



Having said that, I feel that I will proceed with at least 11.  You have

momentum and familiarity at that point.  There will be issues to tackle, and

at this point you aren't in the throws of "get it done ittus" which might

make the process all that much more difficult at a later stage.  If you

don't have the room, then don't do this until you move to the airport.  But

if you do, you might think about it.  You can always take it apart after you

verify that it all fits and works.  



Such musings are worth what you paid for them, of course.  



John Jessen

  ~328  (really getting excited and pumped up for step #4, page #15, section

10! ) 



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