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		Gig Giacona
 
 
  Joined: 10 Jan 2006 Posts: 1416 Location: El Dorado Arkansas USA
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				 Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:11 pm    Post subject: How many of you have grounded... | 
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				...your plane because of the NTSB letter or the issues surrounding it?
 
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		z601a(at)anemicaardvark.c Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:28 pm    Post subject: How many of you have grounded... | 
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				Now THERE is the question. Nothing in this country really formally grounds an 
 amateur built experimental, except on a plane by plane basis. 
 
 In my view, the NTSB is too prone to respond to political pressure, and not 
 prone enough to find the real problems, especially with light aircraft. I 
 cannot accept the validity  of the NTSB position (I can't call it an 
 analysis), and therefore went right on building. When I get done, unless 
 something new, and a whole lot more revealing happens, I have every intention 
 of flying the airplane.
 
 I have refused to fly in aircraft with whose design/construction I had 
 involvement, because I thought they were unsafe. I don't have a death wish. 
 But I don't see anything like that in the XL.
 
 On Wednesday 28 October 2009 15:11, Gig Giacona wrote:
 
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                 Do not archive.
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                 Jim B Belcher
     BS, MS Physics, Math, Computer Science
                   A&P/IA
      Retired aerospace technical manager
 
      Mathematics and alcohol do not mix.
          Do not drink and derive.
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		rosestar(at)sonic.net Guest
 
 
 
 
 
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				 Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:14 pm    Post subject: How Many of You Have Grounded... | 
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				I grounded my plane from April 16th to April 24th.  After reading the 
 NTSB report thoroughly, I did some reading of the accident reports 
 online.  I decided for myself that the conclusions in the NTSB report 
 were not supported by enough probative evidence and corroboration from 
 the actual accident reports to keep my Zodiac XL grounded.  I have flown 
 my airplane ever since. 
 
 I would love to see all the NTSB files on these accidents to look at 
 site investigation photos and the notes of the investigators. 
 
 I inform prospective passengers of the NTSB report and offer a copy to 
 them before they fly with me.  Usually they decline the report and ask 
 "what does it say?"  I tell them my reading and conclusions and why I 
 fly my airplane.  So far no one has declined to fly with me.  My social 
 friends know me as cautious.  I won't bungy jump and I won't ride 
 rollercoasters.  So I guess they trust my judgment and cautious nature.   
 
 Some of my flying friends who own other makes and models of experimental 
 airplanes have volunteered their unsolicited thoughts.  But, they all 
 sincerely wish me well and safe flying.  Those around my hanger flying 
 certified aircraft are just curious and really don't know an issue 
 exists with my airplane make and model. 
 
 I do a really thorough pre-flight and follow the recommendations of 
 Chris Heintz. 
 
 As time goes by, and I continue to observe many (not just a few) Zodiacs 
 flying without incident, it is hard for me to accept that a problem 
 exists without pilot error as the primary and significant cause.  
 Therefore, I fly and hope my piloting skills are up to snuff. 
 Brad DeMeo
 N601BD
 2008 Zodiac XL (QBK)
 
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		PatrickW
 
 
  Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 380 Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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				 Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 5:41 am    Post subject: Re: How many of you have grounded... | 
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				What about builders who have completed and signed-off XL's that have not yet flown?
 
 There's one local guy in my area who finished his airplane last winter who hasn't flown yet.  He hasn't been coming around, so we don't know what's up with him.  Could be afraid.  Could be sick, or have other reasons.  Don't know...
 
 Also know of one other guy with a finished and signed off XL who hasn't flown yet.  Has been a few months.
 
 The way I feel, when I get my XL signed off, I can't imagine delaying very long until it's first flight.
 
 Patrick
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