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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:19 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

Price tag if one of the rest of us wanted to go with a similar system?



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Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

 

I'm in Ecuador right now and should be back in the country by the end of

May.  You may call me at 352-505-1899 and leave a message that I can check

from down here.  Any I-TEC questions can be directed to the I-TEC office at

352-465-4545.

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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:03 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

Here you go:

 

   

http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp  

   

   

TDT

 

   

   

         

  

From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com

 Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:21 AM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 Subject: Re: Re: IFR related cockpit stuff  

  

     

I'll try to see if I can locate a site from the Fed's...they now make this same information available to us, the public, for free...one of the guys from the Langley group spoke to local pilots via an FAA safety seminar recently...I'll see if I still have the reference...these updating disc are available from a number of places...but acording to a fellow presenting the information we can get it directly, vai a download, from the Fed also for free...it's somewhere out there!!!

Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:06 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

Uh, list price totals about $80,000 for that list of Avidyne gear . . .



www.avidyne.com 



TDT

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:09 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

I know the approach info is available here;

http://www.naco.faa.gov/index.asp?xml=naco/online/d_tpp



What I can't find is the download links for the enroute Low Altitude

charts.  If anyone knows how to get those, pass it on.

Jesse: regarding the Avidyne stuff....Tim works for Avidyne, so

he gets them.  Otherwise, it's not an option because they

won't sell to us homebuilders.



John J: At one point I made reference to the Dynon being a "Yugo"

and so on.  Given how much absolutely nicer Rob Hickman's new

stuff is, at a not too much higher price point, I think Dynon

is in the lower end.  But, please don't anyone take that

implication to mean that I'd think of Randy's panel as a "Yugo".

Randy put some great equipment in there, including an MX-20,

and his panel is very nice indeed.  He likes the panel a lot.

I'd be curious as to what he thinks about Rob's offering and

if he'd ever be up for swapping the small dynon out for

one of Rob's.  But I certainly don't consider his panel to be

low-end.  And I agree with you that much of this technology

is unnecessary...and most people will only use a fraction of

the capabilities and could get by with much less.  That said,

the reality is that many (not all) people like the gadgets,

and when you're building your own plane, it's *then* that

those decision need to be made as to what will make you happy.

Building and upgrading later is an option, but it's a fun

thought.  That's why people sweat it so much.



To the OP Tech lookers:  I hope to see a couple people

put them in their -10s.  They do look nice.  They only suffer

from a lack of exposure in our market.  They could end up

being a fantastic thing.  We just need to see and hear more.

If someone takes the plunge on them, please keep everyone

informed as to how the process goes and how they work.



Tim



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   I'll try to see if I can locate a site from the Fed's...they now make 

 this same information available to us, the public, for free...one of the 

 guys from the Langley group spoke to local pilots via an FAA safety 

 seminar recently...I'll see if I still have the reference...these 

 updating disc are available from a number of places...but acording to a 

 fellow presenting the information we can get it directly, vai a 

 download, from the Fed also for free...it's somewhere out there!!!

  

 Patrick

  

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deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:35 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

Tim Olson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		  

 I'd be curious as to what he thinks about Rob's offering and

 if he'd ever be up for swapping the small dynon out for


	




Hi Tim,

    I've read a couple of references to "Rob's offering" and I've

probably missed it somewhere, but what exactly is

"Rob's offering"?  Is there a website with info?



Thanks,



-Dj

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jjessen(at)rcn.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/

 



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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

It's a very crisp screened EFIS/EIS, at a relatively low cost.



http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/



Doesn't have a lot of the features of the GRT and others, such as

mapping built in, but it isn't priced up at that point either.

The crispness of the display is excellent, and should blow away

what dynon is offering.  A neat AOA display too.



It may not be a factor for those buying higher end systems, but

for anyone looking at an integrate-able EIS that has panel

realestate to spare, this might be just the ticket.   If you

have the setup like I do though, you'd probably opt for the

small model so you can maintain your EFIS/MFD arrangement

without giving up all the space, but this is a way to get

much of the attitude and air data functionality at a lower cost.



Sometimes the hardest part about panel planning isn't what

is *not* offered, it's deciding between the many offerings,

what they will give you, and how much your bank account hold. 

Tim

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Dj Merrill wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Tim Olson wrote:

 

> I'd be curious as to what he thinks about Rob's offering and

> if he'd ever be up for swapping the small dynon out for

 

 

 Hi Tim,

     I've read a couple of references to "Rob's offering" and I've

 probably missed it somewhere, but what exactly is

 "Rob's offering"?  Is there a website with info?

 

 Thanks,

 

 -Dj

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deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:19 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

Tim Olson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   



 It's a very crisp screened EFIS/EIS, at a relatively low cost.



 http://www.advanced-control-systems.com/




	


    Thanks!  Looks like a nice system.  I like that it can be integrated

with

their AOA system that I was considering anyways.  I really like the

rotating compass displayed mixed in with the attitude information.



    Anyone know if there are any appreciable amount of flying hours

on these units (3400/3500) ?



-Dj

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

Now that's interesting.  So their HITS won't drive the  VSGV?  What a waste, this would probably put them out of the running for  me.

  

  

Michael Sausen 

RV-10 #352 Working on  Fuselage 

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Recent RV-10 Build Activity

  



   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick  Thyssen

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:36 AM

To:  rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: IFR related cockpit  stuff

 

  I went to Sun N Fun to buy the Chelton or GRT and ended up buying a  dual OP Tech 8.4 intergrated system. They were very informative and  they are a OEM for a couple of LSA aircraft. Got to talk to the people who make  the LSA one in spain and they just love it.

  Becker is what we get with the intergrated or you can use Garmin  SL30 for remote.They have a mode S transponer but need to write some sofeware,  but you can use a Garmin 330, but it will not be remoted to the display. That is  you will see it on the MFD but can not tune it there. Since traffic is a must  in our  AC we will get the garmin 330. 

  Getting them to put landscape on Epanel next few days so we can  decide landscape or portrait. Having to blow up images to size it looks lilke  land scape will fit better. 

  I flew the sim at the show and it was OK by me. Reminded me of flying  the sim at training.

  The bad thing it looks like I'll be buying the Sorrcier instead of  RV10 AP.

 Thanks 

 Pat

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"RV Builder (Michael Sausen)"  <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> wrote:

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		           I like the OP stuff and    have been keeping an eye on it for a while now, especially with the major    jump in Chelton prices.  It's still a option for me but I probably won't    do the integrated version.  They also don't seem to be real good about    getting any info out to the market about their going on's but then again    neither is the D2AV guys.

    

   Michael    Sausen

   -10 #352    Fuselage

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         From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com    [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John    Cram

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:55 PM

To: RV10    LIST

Subject: IFR related cockpit    stuff

   

   Guess I would be considered one of the newest on the list due to the fact    that I placed my order at SNF. But am looking at an EFIS that I have seen no    one mention. The OP Technologies display.  1. it is larger than Chelton    2. Has an internal GPS. 3. you can mount radios and Transponder    remotely.  4. It displays approach plates.  Oh yeah is a lot    cheaper than the chelton system. Will forward first panel draft by Nick    at Park Rapids Avionics. 

    

   John Cram

   40569 ( waiting on the Emp)

    

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stein(at)steinair.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

As I  understand it (I might not be entirely right, but this is what I got).....At the  moment OP doesn't have the vertical GPS steering software done yet.  I  expect they'll have it finished fairly soon though....

  

 Just  my 2 cents as usual.

  

 Cheers,

 Stein.

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jump2(at)sbcglobal.net
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:00 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

 No that's not what I'm saying. I wanted the individual keys for the autopilot and not have to scroll through some pages to find what I what to be doing. Esp on a low approach. GRT have theirs on the screen driving the autopilot.

   They are a Tru Trak dealer and you would need to ask them about any other Questions on their systems. I do know they will work with Digiflight II. At least they have it on their price sheet.

    I'm also looking at getting the upgrade of Free Flight GPS.

   Pat

  0257

  

"RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> wrote:

   	  Quote: 	
		      Now that's interesting.  So their HITS won't drive the  VSGV?  What a waste, this would probably put them out of the running for me.

   

    Michael Sausen

  RV-10 #352 Working on Fuselage

  Do Not Archive

  Recent RV-10 Build Activity



   



      From:  owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Thyssen

Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 6:36 AM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: RE: IFR related cockpit stuff

  

   I went to Sun N Fun to buy the Chelton or GRT and ended up buying a dual OP Tech 8.4 intergrated system. They were very informative and they are a OEM for a couple of LSA aircraft. Got to talk to the people who make the LSA one in spain and they just love it.

   Becker is what we get with the intergrated or you can use Garmin SL30 for remote.They have a mode S transponer but need to write some sofeware, but you can use a Garmin 330, but it will not be remoted to the display. That is you will see it on the MFD but can not tune it there. Since traffic is a must in our  AC we will get the garmin 330. 

   Getting  them to put landscape on Epanel next few days so we can decide landscape or portrait. Having to blow up images to size it looks lilke land scape will fit better. 

   I flew the sim at the show and it was OK by me. Reminded me of flying the sim at training.

   The bad thing it looks like I'll be buying the Sorrcier instead of RV10 AP.

  Thanks 

  Pat

  257



"RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder(at)sausen.net> wrote:

   	  Quote: 	
		        I like the OP stuff and have been keeping an eye on it for a while now, especially with the major jump in Chelton prices.  It's still a option for me but I probably won't do the integrated version.  They also don't seem to be real good about getting any info out to the market about  their going on's but then again neither is the D2AV guys.

   

  Michael Sausen

  -10 #352 Fuselage

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      From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Cram

Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:55 PM

To: RV10 LIST

Subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

  

  Guess I would be considered one of the newest on the list due to the fact that I placed my order at SNF. But am looking at an EFIS that I have seen no one mention. The OP Technologies  display.  1. it is larger than Chelton 2. Has an internal GPS. 3. you can mount radios and Transponder remotely.  4. It displays approach plates.  Oh yeah is a lot cheaper than the chelton system. Will forward first panel draft by Nick at Park Rapids Avionics. 

   

  John Cram

  40569 ( waiting on the Emp)

   

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dmasys(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:38 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

 	  Quote: 	
		   From: Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com>

 Date: 2006/04/13 Thu AM 10:09:22 EDT

 	  Quote: 	
		   Building and upgrading later is an option, but it's a fun

 thought.  That's why people sweat it so much.

As somebody who has had my first RV in the air for the past three years, I can tell you that upgrading is inevitable.  Once your plane is paid off and you see the new cool toys coming out each year, it will be too much temptation to bear to not add a new gadget here and there.  My -7A is all electric and started out with round guages.  Swapped the artificial horizon for a TruTrak solid state AI, added a switch to the panel labelled "WX Radar" and plumbed in a NavAir XM weather display running on a Toshiba.  The list goes on...

Once a project, always a project.  The EFIS are bigger ticket items, but a working system has some residual value and can be sold to some other builder to make way for an even cooler tool.

It's why when people ask you when your plane is going to be done, the real answer is never.  (And glad of it!)

-Dan Masys

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weeav8ter(at)grandecom.ne
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:25 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

I think it's a brand new offering at SNF. They  had/have the 2500 an engine monitor only, which is what I had ordered but  have switched to their 3400.

  

 Wayne Edgerton fitting the doors

 # 40336

  

  

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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

I was reading something that suggested for the airworthiness inspection, the examiner was also going to be interested in seeing your test plan for flight testing the aircraft.  What have folks been doing for that?  A one-page outline of tasks, or an 80-page flight test plan with individual test cards, or something in-between?  

   

TDT

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dmasys(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:21 am Post subject: IFR related cockpit stuff

 	  Quote: 	
		   From: "Tim Dawson-Townsend" <Tdawson(at)avidyne.com>

 Date: 2006/04/14 Fri PM 04:28:00 EDT

 To: <rv10-list(at)matronics.com>

 Subject: RE: Re: IFR related cockpit stuff

 I was reading something that suggested for the airworthiness inspection,

 the examiner was also going to be interested in seeing your test plan

 for flight testing the aircraft.  What have folks been doing for that?

 A one-page outline of tasks, or an 80-page flight test plan with

 individual test cards, or something in-between?

The only topic that came up at my -7's signoff was the boundaries of the flight test area.  The DAR wanted to be sure I had a marked Sectional showing its limits (and a copy was included in his signoff paperwork for phase I) since the standard text description of it in the San Diego area was pretty complicated and bordered by restricted airspace.  If I can infer from the silence on the topic of the flight test program, the general attitude was 'go out and kill yourself if you like, but please do it in this area.  Rest is up to you.'  

Since DAR's and FSDO's seem to vary dramatically, this is just an anecdote...

-Dan Masys

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