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				 Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:57 am    Post subject: solid vs fabric leading edge | 
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				Has anyone built a Kolb with a solid leading edge? The  variable airfoil caused by fabric draping between the ribs can't be good for  performance. Is the difference significant? 
   
   
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				 Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:05 am    Post subject: solid vs fabric leading edge | 
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				yes, myself included.and no, the variable airfoil does not diminish the performance.  In fact it does reduce the wing thickness (and drag) by a small percentage.
 and IMO likely helps retain air attachment.
 I have leading edge tin on the top surface only.  It does reinforce the ribs without the use of additional L struts.
 BB
 
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				 Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 8:15 am    Post subject: Solid vs fabric leading edge | 
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				I found NACA TN 428 "CHARACTERISTICS OF AN AIRFOIL AS AFFECTED BY FABRIC SAG" dated 1932. Here's the summary.
 
 "The results of these tests indicate that the usual
 sagging of the wing covering between ribs has a very small
  effect on the aerodynamic characteristics of an airfoil."
 Rick Girard
 
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				 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 4:53 am    Post subject: Re: solid vs fabric leading edge | 
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				Rick,
 
 Did the 1932 study indicate the nature of the slight difference in performance? I.E., stall slower/higher, cruise speed slower higher, etc.
 
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				 Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 9:19 am    Post subject: solid vs fabric leading edge | 
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				No, it was a wind tunnel investigation.
 
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