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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2871

Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:14 pm Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

Just got the latest newsletter and they claim the lowest prices EVER  

on lifetime chart subscriptions and some other things for Friday only.

Tim

orchidman

Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 277
Location: Oklahoma City - KRCE

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 8:55 am Post subject: Re: Voyager sale Fri only

 	  Tim Olson wrote: 	
		  Just got the latest newsletter and they claim the lowest prices EVER  

on lifetime chart subscriptions and some other things for Friday only.

Tim 	


The price is right except they are not giving credit for existing subscriptions.  They screwed up my Osh order so bad that I have over a years subscription still on their books.  Otherwise I might have jumped on it.

Maybe next year if they offer it again.

_________________
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)

pilotdds(at)aol.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 11:49 am Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

I am becoming very concerned with the folks at Voyager. I purchased the Skypad and the lifetime program and I have found both to be very capable, with a few glitches. The departure procedures on the IFR charts apparently cannot be accessed. Only the first page of the plate shows up and unlike the AOPA version, you cannot scroll through. Secondly, the radar echoes and clouds are very intermittently displayed. They seem like very nice folks, but have been unresponsive to my emails, phone calls, and even failed to have a scheduled teleconference with me. I am concerned about the overall health of the company and I will continue to attempt to get my questions answered. In the event that I am successful I will place a post. If anyone else has had a different experience, I would love to hear about it. I have spoken to the secretary who assures me that I will be contacted by a technical person, but I do not receive a contact. I am not upset at the company as I do feel it is a good value, I am just concerned about whether they will continue to function and what will happen to these life time subscriptions and equipment should they fail to be able to provide support. If you are considering purchase you may wish to take this into consideration.

   Jim Rore

 

 

 

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dlm46007(at)cox.net
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

You make a very valid point; A lifetime subscription is only  as good of the health of the company. After I bought and received the whole  Glastar kit in 1997, Stoddard Hamilton went into receivership (I only had to  fabricate one part) . This was the number two company in experimental aviation  in terms of stability and kit sales. I bought the complete RV10 package from  Sept 2004 to mid 2005; the rush was to get all so I could complete whether or  not Vans survived. These small privately held company financials are either  obscure or unavailable. I bought my Chelton system in the Summer 2005 and  insisted and received shipment to me within 30 days of their receipt of funds  (unfortunately they did not allow credit card purchases which offer some  protection) . After their XBOW/PINPOINT decision, I repeatedly asked them how  they stayed in business, while being unable to deliver the promised Pinpoints.  In December 2007? they did not. Look to the lifetime (strength) of the company  before "buying" the lifetime guarantee.

   From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com  [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of  pilotdds(at)aol.com

Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 12:44  PM

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Subject: Re: Re:  Voyager sale Fri only

 I am becoming very concerned with the folks at Voyager. I purchased the  Skypad and the lifetime program and I have found both to be very capable, with a  few glitches. The departure procedures on the IFR charts apparently cannot be  accessed. Only the first page of the plate shows up and unlike the AOPA version,  you cannot scroll through. Secondly, the radar echoes and clouds are very  intermittently displayed. They seem like very nice folks, but have been  unresponsive to my emails, phone calls, and even failed to have a scheduled  teleconference with me. I am concerned about the overall health of the company  and I will continue to attempt to get my questions answered. In the event that I  am successful I will place a post. If anyone else has had a different  experience, I would love to hear about it. I have spoken to the secretary who  assures me that I will be contacted by a technical person, but I do not receive  a contact. I am not upset at the company as I do feel it is a good value, I am  just concerned about whether they will continue to function and what will happen  to these life time subscriptions and equipment should they fail to be able to  provide support. If you are considering purchase you may wish to take this into  consideration.

 Jim Rore

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From: orchidman <gary(at)wingscc.com>

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Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 8:55 am

Subject:  Re: Voyager sale Fri only

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Tim Olson wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   Just got the latest newsletter and they claim the lowest prices EVER  

 on lifetime chart subscriptions and some other things for Friday only.

 Tim

The price is right except they are not giving credit for existing subscriptions.  

They screwed up my Osh order so bad that I have over a years subscription still 

on their books.  Otherwise I might have jumped on it.

Maybe next year if they offer it again.

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Gary Blankenbiller

RV10 - # 40674

(N2GB Flying)

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Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

I received a call from a Taylor at Seattle Avionics. He was extremely helpful and answered all of my questions. There is a way to scroll through and identify departure procedures in the system and they apologized for the confusion and lack of response. The satellite imagery is due to a temporary problem with one of their servers. It is a very full featured program.

   Happy Thanksgiving everyone,

   Jim Rore

 

 

 

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Tim Olson

Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2871

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

I'm actually pretty surprised you had a bad experience with

them in the past.  I've actually sent quite a few

emails to their support(at) email address in the past...I tend

to be a tough customer sometimes because I push some

feature requests, and ask questions that go in more depth

sometimes than people like to spend time talking about.

But, in all my emails they're usually very very quick in

replying.  A few weeks ago a friend who is also a

user of the software saw the clouds (or lack thereof), and

I emailed in and within a couple hours had the answer

that they knew about it and were having problems with

the data feed.  Then, a couple weeks ago they had a BETA

software upgrade and I had volunteered a long time ago

to beta test, so I found out about it.  I tried it and

found that the new Data Manager feature had a bug in

it if you didn't have a "Flight Guide" subscription. (I don't)

I got a reply right away even though they were at the

AOPA convention.  I had a follow-up question that did

take a few days but since they were at the show, I

waited that one out.  Then, a few days ago with the

newer rev. of the Data Manager to do automatic chart

and software updates, they came out with a new Beta

version, and mine didn't auto updated.  I emailed

support...and mind you this was Wednesday night, late,

the night before Thanksgiving.  The company pres. himself

fielded the email with a workaround (which I had already

figured out).  I get email replies at all hours,

and they're always very responsive...especially one

of the guys in particular.



Today, with the special they ran for the first 100

customers, it was quite a deal.  $230 I think was

the actual discount.  $600 for a full lifetime

subscription for Geo-Referenced charts.  $400 if you

only wanted IFR charts with no GPS integration.

That's pretty darn good considering the price you'd

pay Garmin/Jeppesen for their offerings, and it

includes far more charts.



I can't speak to the questions of company health,

but I've never seen any reason to doubt it. The specials

they run are usually for limited quantities....like

this one. 100 people got the deal. The rest either

have to wait or can just pass on it. But, it sure

drives the responses.  There has only been one

other app that was in the same price/performance

ballpark and that was Golden Eagle Chart Case, and

that is also a great app but I found that the long term

costs were higher, and I'm going into my 3rd year

without paper now. I've already saved enough to

have made it worth while, so if they were gone next

year, I'd still be fulfilled.  Jepp has an offering

too, but they're priced so far above that it

isn't really practical for most users.  So I don't really

know one way or the other how the health of the company

is, but they've been great to work with for a while

now.  If someone feels Chart Case or Jepp is a better

way to go because they think the company is more solid,

I say go for it.  You might spend more, or much more

money, but if it makes you comfortable, then do.

It's given good peace of mind to travel and actually

be able to prove I have legal charts for all trips...and

it's been a great cost savings over paper.  If you're

flying with no charts, or out of date charts, you've

got a whole different view on what's legal/safe as

I do.  To each his own....but isn't that great? There

are some times when passing up a good deal will just

cost a person a lot more in the end...I just think

this was one of them.  $400 to have every chart

it takes to be legal for any IFR or VFR flight...

forever.  Heck, even 2 years worth would make that

a bargain over paper if you actually use your RV-10

as it was intended.



Tim



pilotdds(at)aol.com wrote:

[quote] I am becoming very concerned with the folks at Voyager. I purchased the 

 Skypad and the lifetime program and I have found both to be very 

 capable, with a few glitches. The departure procedures on the IFR charts 

 apparently cannot be accessed. Only the first page of the plate shows up 

 and unlike the AOPA version, you cannot scroll through. Secondly, the 

 radar echoes and clouds are very intermittently displayed. They seem 

 like very nice folks, but have been unresponsive to my emails, phone 

 calls, and even failed to have a scheduled teleconference with me. I am 

 concerned about the overall health of the company and I will continue to 

 attempt to get my questions answered. In the event that I am successful 

 I will place a post. If anyone else has had a different experience, I 

 would love to hear about it. I have spoken to the secretary who assures 

 me that I will be contacted by a technical person, but I do not receive 

 a contact. I am not upset at the company as I do feel it is a good 

 value, I am just concerned about whether they will continue to function 

 and what will happen to these life time subscriptions and equipment 

 should they fail to be able to provide support. If you are considering 

 purchase you may wish to take this into consideration.

 Jim Rore

 

 

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rebrunk42(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 4:58 pm Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

When I bought blue mountain and complained about the product the beta  

testers responded by lauding the product and discounting my  

complaints. It was at least unhelpful and we all know what happened to  

that company. I think it is important that I consider a product in  

light of my experience and that of others with them. Beta testers are  

those who help develop a product for sale. All that a product is  

supposed to do should be up and running at time of sale. Buyers are  

not nor should be beta testers unless that is how the item is sold. I  

learned this expensive lesson from blue mountain. Enough said. I feel  

better. Thanks for listening. Robert



Sent from my iPhone



Robert E. Brunkenhoefer

Brunkenhoefer Law Firm, P.C.

520 Lawrence St.

Corpus Christi, Texas 78401

Phone: 361-888-8808

Facsimile: 361-888-6753

robert(at)brunklaw.com



On Nov 27, 2009, at 5:33 PM, Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote:



 	  Quote:

etekberg(at)gmail.com
Guest

Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

I noticed the same thing with the departure procedures.  Also, when I did a "just download the procedures that have changed", it did not pick up the revision to the departure procedures.  When I did a "download them all" it did.  I did bite on the lifetime subscription, but I am not the die-hard fan that Tim is.  I only hope that there involvement with BK will lead to a better product.  I download the pdfs from nacomatic.com as well as using voyager.  Basically when I use the product I hear a little nagging voice in the back of my head that says that it is a POS, but I still refuse to listen to it.  Afterall, I don't even have my IFR ticket yet, so what do I know?

 

-Eric



On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:43 PM,  <pilotdds(at)aol.com (pilotdds(at)aol.com)> wrote:

[quote]  I am becoming very concerned with the folks at Voyager. I purchased the Skypad and the lifetime program and I have found both to be very capable, with a few glitches. The departure procedures on the IFR charts apparently cannot be accessed. Only the first page of the plate shows up and unlike the AOPA version, you cannot scroll through. Secondly, the radar echoes and clouds are very intermittently displayed. They seem like very nice folks, but have been unresponsive to my emails, phone calls, and even failed to have a scheduled teleconference with me. I am concerned about the overall health of the company and I will continue to attempt to get my questions answered. In the event that I am successful I will place a post. If anyone else has had a different experience, I would love to hear about it. I have spoken to the secretary who assures me that I will be contacted by a technical person, but I do not receive a contact. I am not upset at the company as I do feel it is a good value, I am just concerned about whether they will continue to function and what will happen to these life time subscriptions and equipment should they fail to be able to provide support. If you are considering purchase you may wish to take this into consideration.

    Jim Rore

 

 

 

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sean(at)stephensville.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:44 am Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

Hmmm, is what nacomatic.com is publishing a "legal" thing?  Just wondering if it has the potential of disappearing.



Is getting charts from a source (not sure what his source is) and reproducing them "legal"?



On Dec 1, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Eric Ekberg wrote:

[quote]I noticed the same thing with the departure procedures.  Also, when I did a "just download the procedures that have changed", it did not pick up the revision to the departure procedures.  When I did a "download them all" it did.  I did bite on the lifetime subscription, but I am not the die-hard fan that Tim is.  I only hope that there involvement with BK will lead to a better product.  I download the pdfs from nacomatic.com as well as using voyager.  Basically when I use the product I hear a little nagging voice in the back of my head that says that it is a POS, but I still refuse to listen to it.  Afterall, I don't even have my IFR ticket yet, so what do I know?

 

-Eric



On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:43 PM,  <pilotdds(at)aol.com (pilotdds(at)aol.com)> wrote:

[quote]  I am becoming very concerned with the folks at Voyager. I purchased the Skypad and the lifetime program and I have found both to be very capable, with a few glitches. The departure procedures on the IFR charts apparently cannot be accessed. Only the first page of the plate shows up and unlike the AOPA version, you cannot scroll through. Secondly, the radar echoes and clouds are very intermittently displayed. They seem like very nice folks, but have been unresponsive to my emails, phone calls, and even failed to have a scheduled teleconference with me. I am concerned about the overall health of the company and I will continue to attempt to get my questions answered. In the event that I am successful I will place a post. If anyone else has had a different experience, I would love to hear about it. I have spoken to the secretary who assures me that I will be contacted by a technical person, but I do not receive a contact. I am not upset at the company as I do feel it is a good value, I am just concerned about whether they will continue to function and what will happen to these life time subscriptions and equipment should they fail to be able to provide support. If you are considering purchase you may wish to take this into consideration.

    Jim Rore

 

 

 

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sfdarton(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:13 pm Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

Sean

  

 National Aeronautical Charting Office - NACO  - this is the division of the FAA that publishes charts. Paid for buy your tax dollars, charts as current as possible, right now you can download charts effective:    17 December 2009 to 14 January 2010

  

 Steve 40212



 

   From: Sean Stephens <sean(at)stephensville.com>

To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 12:40:33 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Voyager sale Fri only



Hmmm, is what nacomatic.com is publishing a "legal" thing?  Just wondering if it has the potential of disappearing. 



 Is getting charts from a source (not sure what his source is) and reproducing them "legal"?

 



 

  On Dec 1, 2009, at 2:52 PM, Eric Ekberg wrote:

 [quote]I noticed the same thing with the departure procedures.  Also, when I did a "just download the procedures that have changed", it did not pick up the revision to the departure procedures.  When I did a "download them all" it did.  I did bite on the lifetime subscription, but I am not the die-hard fan that Tim is.  I only hope that there involvement with BK will lead to a better product.  I download the pdfs from nacomatic.com as well as using voyager.  Basically when I use the product I hear a little nagging voice in the back of my head that says that it is a POS, but I still refuse to listen to it.  Afterall, I don't even have my IFR ticket yet, so what do I know?



-Eric



 On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 1:43 PM, <pilotdds(at)aol.com (pilotdds(at)aol.com)> wrote:

 [quote] I am becoming very concerned with the folks at Voyager. I purchased the Skypad and the lifetime program and I have found both to be very capable, with a few glitches. The departure procedures on the IFR charts apparently cannot be accessed. Only the first page of the plate shows up and unlike the AOPA version, you cannot scroll through. Secondly, the radar echoes and clouds are very intermittently displayed. They seem like very nice folks, but have been unresponsive to my emails, phone calls, and even failed to have a scheduled teleconference with me. I am concerned about the overall health of the company and I will continue to attempt to get my questions answered. In the event that I am successful I will place a post. If anyone else has had a different experience, I would love to hear about it. I have spoken to the secretary who assures me that I will be contacted by a technical person, but I do not receive a contact. I am not upset at the company  as I do feel it is a good value, I am just concerned about whether they will continue to function and what will happen to these life time subscriptions and equipment should they fail to be able to provide support. If you are considering purchase you may wish to take this into consideration.

 Jim Rore



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orchidman

Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 277
Location: Oklahoma City - KRCE

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Voyager sale Fri only

 	  sean(at)stephensville.com wrote: 	
		  Hmmm, is what nacomatic.com is publishing a "legal" thing?  Just wondering if it has the potential of disappearing.



Is getting charts from a source (not sure what his source is) and reproducing them "legal"? 	


And there is a script that will automate the downloading.

You can specify state, section, all etc.  I am using it to put the charts on an SD card.  I download only the states I might need for a flight and can review multiple airports very quickly.  I think it is much easier then the Voyager program if you are trying to review what is available in an area as say looking for alternates.

http://mstewart.net/super8/grtgetallplates/index.htm

_________________
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

Fabulous link.  Takes a little doing for a not-that-technical computer guy, but very nice once it's working.

do not archive

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694

On Dec 3, 2009, at 3:36 PM, orchidman wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 sean(at)stephensville.com wrote:

> Hmmm, is what nacomatic.com (http://nacomatic.com) is publishing a "legal" thing?  Just wondering if it has the potential of disappearing.

> 

> Is getting charts from a source (not sure what his source is) and reproducing them "legal"?

 And there is a script that will automate the downloading.

 You can specify state, section, all etc.  I am using it to put the charts on an SD card.  I download only the states I might need for a flight and can review multiple airports very quickly.  I think it is much easier then the Voyager program if you are trying to review what is available in an area as say looking for alternates.

 http://mstewart.net/super8/grtgetallplates/index.htm

 --------

 Gary Blankenbiller

 RV10 - # 40674

 (N2GB Flying)

 Read this topic online here:

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 76027#276027

orchidman

Joined: 10 Jul 2006
Posts: 277
Location: Oklahoma City - KRCE

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:15 am Post subject: Re: Voyager sale Fri only

 	  jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote: 	
		  Fabulous link.  Takes a little doing for a not-that-technical computer guy, but very nice once it's working.

	


I like saving the chart plates by state.  It takes a little longer to update things but I have a root folder called CHARTS.  I then put each state in its own folder  i.e.  charts/TX

The script will put all of the TX airports in their own folders.



downloadplates.pl --states TX --destination c:\charts\TX



Then if I wanted to see all the approaches into Georgetown, I would brows to CHARTS, then TX, then GTU and bingo, listed are all the FAA approach plates for Georgetown.  They are free, and legal.  The nice thing about this program is that it also automatically handles updates/additions/deletions.

_________________
Gary Blankenbiller
RV10 - # 40674
(N2GB Flying)

brenthumphreys

Joined: 17 Aug 2008
Posts: 21

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:39 am Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

PDF Plates has a nice application to assist in downloading your plates.

http://www.pdfplates.com/

They also compile the PDF's into single files like the FAA books.  I

know the developer, and if you have a specific format you would like

them in, I could put a bug in his ear.



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jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 5:54 am Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

I was thinking about that myself.  I'm sure there is a way to automate this as well.  I just don't know if I would rather have all of the airports in the same folder, or sorted by state.  For example, if someone tells you to go to 5R4 from X35, you would have to look up the airport elsewhere to find out what state it is in and then look up the airport info.  I'll have to use it a little bit to see if I'd rather take a little extra time going through the list or take the extra time (seldom as it may be needed) to find out what state the plate it in.

do not archive

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694

On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:15 AM, orchidman wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote:

> Fabulous link.  Takes a little doing for a not-that-technical computer guy, but very nice once it's working.

> 

 I like saving the chart plates by state.  It takes a little longer to update things but I have a root folder called CHARTS.  I then put each state in its own folder  i.e.  charts/TX

 The script will put all of the TX airports in their own folders.

 downloadplates.pl --states TX --destination c:chartsTX

 Then if I wanted to see all the approaches into Georgetown, I would brows to CHARTS, then TX, then GTU and bingo, listed are all the FAA approach plates for Georgetown.  They are free, and legal.  The nice thing about this program is that it also automatically handles updates/additions/deletions.

 --------

 Gary Blankenbiller

 RV10 - # 40674

 (N2GB Flying)

 Read this topic online here:

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 76134#276134

jesse(at)saintaviation.co
Guest

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 5:09 am Post subject: Voyager sale Fri only

By the way, a buddy of mine showed me a way to run a script, so I can make a text file with one state on each line, save it as *.sh and run it from the command line and it will download each state individually and save it in its own directory.

downloadplates.pl --states FL --destination plates/FL

downloadplates.pl --states GA --destination plates/GA

downloadplates.pl --states AL --destination plates/AL

etc.

Works great.  I ran it all night and it's almost done.  Now, to copy the states I want with me and put them on my iPhone so I have them with me whenever I fly.  Next, to schedule in iCal to run the script every 28 days to download all changes automatically...

do not archive

Jesse Saint

Saint Aviation, Inc.

jesse(at)saintaviation.com

Cell: 352-427-0285

Fax: 815-377-3694

On Dec 4, 2009, at 8:15 AM, orchidman wrote:

 	  Quote: 	

 jesse(at)saintaviation.co wrote:

> Fabulous link.  Takes a little doing for a not-that-technical computer guy, but very nice once it's working.

> 

 I like saving the chart plates by state.  It takes a little longer to update things but I have a root folder called CHARTS.  I then put each state in its own folder  i.e.  charts/TX

 The script will put all of the TX airports in their own folders.

 downloadplates.pl --states TX --destination c:chartsTX

 Then if I wanted to see all the approaches into Georgetown, I would brows to CHARTS, then TX, then GTU and bingo, listed are all the FAA approach plates for Georgetown.  They are free, and legal.  The nice thing about this program is that it also automatically handles updates/additions/deletions.

 --------

 Gary Blankenbiller

 RV10 - # 40674

 (N2GB Flying)

 Read this topic online here:

 http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 76134#276134

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