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John.Hines(at)craftontull
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:40 am Post subject: Shop size



I am about to begin my Zodiac XL project. I'm going to the workshop

next week and bringing the tail kit home with me. I don't have room for

anything else. I'm planning on building an 18 x 20 shop in the spring

so I have room to build the rest. Do you guys think that is big enough?

By my calculations I should be able to put it together and attach one

wing at a time and still walk around it. Any comments or suggestions

would be appreciated.

Thanks,

John

zsmith3rd(at)earthlink.ne
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:55 am Post subject: shop size



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The First Rule of Physics is: "Junk expands to fill all available space".

Regardless of size, it still won't be large enough. Check the Boeing web site.....theirs are full, too.

Every situation is different, but the first plane I built was in a 30 x 30. Thirty-two foot wings went on okay sitting diagonally in the building, but had to come off to get outside the ten-foot door. (Boat-in-the-basement syndrome)

If there is any way to enlarge the area I'd sure consider doing so.

Storage of finished parts (wings, etc) can also be a problem.

Regards,

Zed/701/R912/etc/90+%

p.mulwitz(at)worldnet.att
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:58 am Post subject: Shop size



Hi John,

When it comes to workshop space, more is better.

Your dimensions might be OK, but it would be a tight fit at

best. Consider how difficult it would be to walk around your

workbench which must be 12 long and 4 feet wide with wing parts

hanging over some of the edges. Add some other "furniture" for tool

storage and who knows what else, and it gets to be very difficult to

move around.

If you can make your shop bigger, I am sure you will find a way to

use the extra space.

Paul

XL wings

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At 08:43 AM 1/10/2006, you wrote:

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		  I am about to begin my Zodiac XL project. I'm going to the workshop

next week and bringing the tail kit home with me. I don't have room for

anything else. I'm planning on building an 18 x 20 shop in the spring

so I have room to build the rest. Do you guys think that is big enough?

By my calculations I should be able to put it together and attach one

wing at a time and still walk around it. Any comments or suggestions

would be appreciated.

	


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Paul Mulwitz

32013 NE Dial Road

Camas, WA 98607

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frank.hinde(at)hp.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:19 am Post subject: shop size



Built mine in a 24 dralle.txt gigi.txt grant.txt save.txt 24...Seemed plenty big enough for the HDS.

Frank

David X

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Princeton, NJ, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Shop size



 If you can manage to rent a 40 foot hanger, that would be an alternate solution. The rent might even be less than the building costs of your shop (depending on where you live) ... or if you live on a filed, build the hanger instead.

Building in a hanger also solves the problem of transport and reassembly when it's time to test fly it.

I have my 601XL in a 40 foot hanger. There is a 15x5 open section on each side of the plane and another 15x6 open section behind the tail. I keep my benches, tools etc in these sections.

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David X

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Princeton, NJ, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:26 am Post subject: Shop size



[Idea] If you can manage to rent a 40 foot hanger, that would be an alternate solution. The rent might even be less than the building costs of your shop (depending on where you live) ... or if you live on a filed, build the hanger instead.

Building in a hanger also solves the problem of transport and reassembly when it's time to test fly it.

I have my 601XL in a 40 foot hanger. There is a 15x5 open section on each side of the plane and another 15x6 open section behind the tail. I keep my benches, tools etc in these sections.

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dave(at)thecoverts.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:39 am Post subject: Shop size



How tall is the building? I plan on hoisting my finished parts up into the

rafters so as to conserve floor and wall space. It would help if you could

get things up out of the way.

Dave

701-wanna-be

steveadams

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 191

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Shop size



While more space is always better, your shop should be plenty big enough. I built my CH640 using a single bay of a 3 car garage, and that included having to keep my QB fuselage in there for the whole build. I had to roll it outside to fit the wings, but otherwise, it was easily done. For storage I used wall and ceiling space. I would discourage trying to build it in a hanger, unless the airport is across the street. It is often easy to find 20-30 minutes here and there to work on the plane if it's right outside your door, which really adds up and speeds the project along. If your plane is at the airport, you'll spend a lot of unproductive time going back and forth, and need a considerable block of time available to justify going over to do some work. Make it as convenient and comfortable as possible to work on the plane, and you will finish it in a reasonable time. Just my 2 cents.

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steveadams

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 191

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:55 am Post subject: Shop size



While more space is always better, your shop should be plenty big enough. I built my CH640 using a single bay of a 3 car garage, and that included having to keep my QB fuselage in there for the whole build. I had to roll it outside to fit the wings, but otherwise, it was easily done. For storage I used wall and ceiling space. I would discourage trying to build it in a hanger, unless the airport is across the street. It is often easy to find 20-30 minutes here and there to work on the plane if it's right outside your door, which really adds up and speeds the project along. If your plane is at the airport, you'll spend a lot of unproductive time going back and forth, and need a considerable block of time available to justify going over to do some work. Make it as convenient and comfortable as possible to work on the plane, and you will finish it in a reasonable time. Just my 2 cents.

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Larry McFarland

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 36
Location: East Moline, Illinois

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject: Shop size



John,

That's plenty of space for building, but the key is organizing the space

you use so that parts and assemblies

don't overwhelm your area. Practice a tight inventory, good clean up

and white surfaced work tables etc.

Overhead lighting is real important. I plans built my 601HDS in a

double garage, but the wife's car had to fit

inside every night. Put your table(s) on casters.

Good luck,

Larry McFarland - 601HDS at www.macsmachine.com

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John Hines wrote:

I am about to begin my Zodiac XL project. I'm going to the workshop

next week and bringing the tail kit home with me. I don't have room for

anything else. I'm planning on building an 18 x 20 shop in the spring

so I have room to build the rest. Do you guys think that is big enough?

By my calculations I should be able to put it together and attach one

wing at a time and still walk around it. Any comments or suggestions

would be appreciated.

Thanks,

John

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Larry McFarland - 601HDS - Stratus

David X

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Princeton, NJ, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Shop size



 	  steveadams wrote: 	
		  I would discourage trying to build it in a hanger, unless the airport is across the street.

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It kinda depends on the circumstance.

Although my plane is compelted, there is always something else I want to do to it or to do maintenenace etc. I picked a hanger near my job so that I could stop by after work for a few hours away from the wife. She's very supportive of my flying, but if I'm home, she ownes me.

David X

Joined: 10 Jan 2006
Posts: 154
Location: Princeton, NJ, USA

Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:32 pm Post subject: Shop size



steveadams wrote:

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It kinda depends on the circumstance.

Although my plane is compelted, there is always something else I want to do to it or to do maintenenace etc. I picked a hanger near my job so that I could stop by after work for a few hours away from the wife. She's very supportive of my flying, but if I'm home, she ownes me. [Rolling Eyes]

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bryanmmartin(at)comcast.n
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: shop size

I built my zodiac in an 8 1/2' by 24' cargo trailer parked in a outdoor

storage lot. I used a long extension cord to tap power from one to the

storage buildings 30 yards away. I had just enough power to run my lights,

the battery charger for my drill and a small air compressor for the rivet

puller. I built the first wing and then hung it on one side wall of the

trailer then built the other wing. After I finished the wings, I hauled them

up north to my dad's garage and built a shelf along the back wall to store

them. Then I towed the trailer back down to the lot and started working on

the fuselage. I did the final assembly at a rented hangar at the airport

down the road from my dad's house. I think I'd get lost in an 18 X 20

workshop. 

--

Bryan Martin

N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.

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zodierocket(at)hsfx.ca
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:43 pm Post subject: shop size



Make the ceiling as high as possible. This allows for easier movement of

larger pieces and for hanging storage of flying surfaces during fuselage

construction.

Mark Townsend

Can-Zac Aviation Ltd.

president(at)can-zacaviation.com

www.can-zacaviation.com

ggower_99(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:55 pm Post subject: Shop size



Yes, mainly when you forgot something you needed (tool or part) and the airport is a long drive away. Our hangar is 40 minutes from home (in light trafic). So we were happy to build it over our factory, we had all the tools we could need, . The only problem was happy working and forget how late is in the night was to go hone...

twalker(at)cableone.net
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Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:35 am Post subject: shop size



Shop Size.

More is better if you can afford to heat it in the winter. I'm building a

701 in a 10x20 1931 era garage. Both wings are hanging on the side walls,

suspended from the rafters. The rudder is leaning against the wall in the

front, the stabilizer is too. The elevator is in my basement along with the

cowl, doors, windshield (the wife thinks all that "stuff" in her laundry

area is ugly). My engine and prop are stored at my buddy's house....

When I move from the rear of the garage to the front, I have to turn

sideways to keep from bumping into the wing or hitting the table. If I

didn't have the storage space under the work table, I don't know what I

would have done.

More space is definitely better!

Tommy Walker in Alabama

You can see how crowded it is here:

http://69.92.114.178/img/main fs.htm

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