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tmclam(at)comcast.net
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:03 am Post subject: Door Latch Summary?

I do not want to interupt the current stream of control system summary information,but at the appropriate time could we look at the Door Latch problem[loosing doors inflight].

 Lyles device looks excellent but perhaps some" Aussie farmer" has come up with a simple add on that is" Quite" good[and cheap].

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                                                          Ted

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bakerocb

Joined: 15 Jan 2006
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Location: FAIRFAX VA

Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:36 am Post subject: Door Latch Summary?

8/23/2010



Hello Ted, You wrote:



1) " could we look at the Door Latch problem[loosing doors inflight]. )



A very worthwhile endeavor.



2) "some " Aussie farmer" has come up with a simple add on that is" Quite" 

good[and cheap]."



Well, I don't meet the criteria of A) "Aussie farmer" (never even been 

there, but I was a Minnesota farmer); B) add on; nor C) cheap, but I did 

install a modified Europa door latch system in my KIS TR-1 airplane that is 

quite good. 300 plus hours with no door openings.



It may still be possible to buy the parts needed from the US Europa 

distributor:



http://www.customflightcreations.com/index.html



If any one is interested I'll dig out and post more information.



'OC' Baker Says: "The best investment we can make is the time and effort to 

gather and understand knowledge."



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ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:40 am Post subject: Door Latch Summary?

Hello Ted,

  

 Do you have a TR-1? Is it built or under  construction?I have a TR-1 and built the doors and latches per the manual except  I added a mini dead bolt to the right door, to positively lock that door in  flight. I also added a 1" X 4" leather pull strap screwed to the door just above  the  handle. It has a piece of Velcro on the other end and after closing  the door it lays across the handle and is held into position by the  Velcro.  This definitely qualifies for cheep! Works good, 400+ hrs and  still have the original doors!

  

 I can take a couple pictures if are  interested.

  

 Tim

  

  

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   I do not want    to interupt the current stream of control system summary information,but at    the appropriate time could we look at the Door Latch problem[loosing doors    inflight].

 Lyles device looks excellent but perhaps some" Aussie    farmer" has come up with a simple add on that is" Quite" good[and    cheap].

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                                                             Ted



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sstearns2(at)yahoo.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:06 pm Post subject: Door Latch Summary?

It seems that the factory door latch system works as long as both the front and rear pins are engaged.  It's pretty easy to close the door and have the front pin engage properly, but the rear pin be on the outside of the fuselage.  It only takes once and the door will probably come off in flight.  

  

 My door latch is totally different and there are pictures on bob's website.  I think it's pretty bullet proof, cheap and simple.  

  

 Scott



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From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com>

Subject: Re: Door Latch Summary?

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 ï»¿  #yiv1894577710 P { MARGIN:0px;}   Hello Ted,

  

 Do you have a TR-1? Is it built or under construction?I have a TR-1 and built the doors and latches per the manual except I added a mini dead bolt to the right door, to positively lock that door in flight. I also added a 1" X 4" leather pull strap screwed to the door just above the  handle. It has a piece of Velcro on the other end and after closing the door it lays across the handle and is held into position by the Velcro.  This definitely qualifies for cheep! Works good, 400+ hrs and still have the original doors!

  

 I can take a couple pictures if are interested.

  

 Tim

  

  

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 I do not want to interupt the current stream of control system summary information,but at the appropriate time could we look at the Door Latch problem[loosing doors inflight].

 Lyles device looks excellent but perhaps some" Aussie farmer" has come up with a simple add on that is" Quite" good[and cheap].

                                                   Respectfully

                                                          Ted



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galinhdz(at)gmail.com
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Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:52 pm Post subject: Door Latch Summary?

I have the Hendricks latch system withÂ 3 modifications.

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 1 - a strike plate that lowers with the latch (Ted Scott Modification)

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 2 - a small spring preventing the latchs to wiggle/work its way open

 http://puertoricoflyer.com/images/Latch%20Handle3%20-%20Normal%20Position.jpg

 http://puertoricoflyer.com/images/Latch%20Handle4%20-%20Held%20Open.jpg

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 3 - A piece of Velcro covering the top of the handle helping to keep the latch down and providing a "soft" area to lay your elbow on.

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 After two separate in-flight door opening incidents I am very careful about door latches.

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 Galin

 On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Scott Stearns <sstearns2(at)yahoo.com (sstearns2(at)yahoo.com)> wrote:

 [quote]     It seems that the factory door latch system works as long as both the front and rear pins are engaged.Â  It's pretty easy to close the door and have the front pin engage properly, but the rear pin be on the outside of the fuselage.Â  It only takes once and the doorÂ will probably come off in flight.Â  

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 My door latch is totally different and there are pictures on bob's website.Â  I think it's pretty bullet proof, cheap and simple.Â  

 Â 

 Scott



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Date: Monday, August 23, 2010, 11:35 AM



 ï»¿   Hello Ted,

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 Do you have a TR-1? Is it built or under construction?I have a TR-1 and built the doors and latches per the manual except I added a mini dead bolt to the right door, to positively lock that door in flight. I also added a 1" X 4" leather pull strap screwed to the door just above theÂ  handle. It has a piece of Velcro on the other end and after closing the door it lays across theÂ handle and isÂ held into position by the Velcro.Â Â This definitely qualifies for cheep! Works good, 400+ hrs and still have the original doors!

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 I can take a couple pictures if are interested.

 Â 

 Tim

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 I do not want to interupt the current stream of control system summary information,but at the appropriate time could we look at the Door Latch problem[loosing doors inflight].

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bakerocb

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Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:11 am Post subject: Door Latch Summary?

8/24/2010



Hello Scott, I looked at your pictures (under What's New on the web site) 

and have some questions:



http://www.kisbuild.onfinal18.com/



1) In the third picture down from the top there is a cross ship notch cut 

into the door sill fuselage top rail. What is the purpose of that notch?



2) How did you cut out the aluminum flat handle?



3) Also in the section marked More Great Construction Photos, third photo 

down with the engine description caption, a white dividing line appears in 

your windshield. Why is that?



Thanks,



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gbrighton(at)skymesh.com.
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: Door Latch Summary?

G'Day Ted,

                   Any Aussie Farmer worth his salt will use some trusty 'fencing wire' ...as first weapon of choice ..... but not quite the answer for the longer term here .hey ..

Have seen a few good  ideas so far ... and just thought i'd throw in ... the set up on my doors ...   In place of the cables pulling the sprung pins ... on mine the cables have been replaced with solid steel rods that have the ends rounded to pin into the striker/keepers ..  A spring helps hold the handle and  the pins (rods) in the closed position . ( The two rods lay in a slightly 'over center' and extended position in the closed state ..) 



Have attached a pic but the workings of course are inside door shells .. Definitely cheap and simple ...



Hope u can get to idea from my attempt at a description  ...



Graham



Ps Am born and breed farmer ..but just hobbly size now ..

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