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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 10:28 am Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

Ok, so I'm paranoid...



There's a chance that I might be forcibly ordered to fly from

Wisconsin to San Diego, CA for a wedding on July 1st.  It's

*only* a 12 hour flight, so that's no problem.  The problem

is, I'd be flying down to New Mexico, across the Grand Canyon,

and then up to Vegas and down to San Diego.  One thing I

did some research on is the average daily temps, which get

into the 102-108 degree F range in those SouthWest states...

and that's "average".   The other much more minor issue

is the mountains, as it looks like on my route my max

mountain height is 10,000'.



What I'd like to know is, can someone who lives down there

in those areas, or anywhere in between Wisconsin and there,

tell me how bad of weather and it's effects am I likely

to see during that time of year right around July 1st?



I've attached a picture of my route.  It's not straight,

but that's so I can do some visiting and sightseeing.



All I know is if it was 105 degrees up where I live, the

last thing I'd want do do is climb in my airplane for

a flight.  You'd be cooking up here.



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Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 10:40 am Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

Tim:



We were flying around NM last summer with the AF Reserve and encountered

afternoon puffy buildups many afternoons.  We were up at FL300, so it

didn't bother us too much.  We had some other fellas at low level and

they were getting bumped around a lot.



My advice:  Get the kiddies up early, t/o NLT 0600 and get your longer

legs in before 1300 . . . (you're taking 2 days each way, I presume?)



Or extend your trip a bit, make it a circle, and come home via up the CA

coast, then back across, for a change of scenery . . .



TDT

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GRANSCOTT(at)aol.com
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:26 am Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

Tim, I'm not from that area nor fly down there but do have a number of  friends in that area...it's my understanding that you want to make the crossing  through the mountains you want to enter it early in the morning as early as  possible if its clear...by the afternoon convection's build in the valleys and  climb along the walls making for lots of turbulence and a rough ride on any  aircraft, unless you're well over the tops.  Additionally in the afternoon  the head winds will increase from the west southwest to east  northeast generally because of the convective activity...

  

 Patrick

  

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rene(at)felker.com
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:26 am Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

I live in Ogden Utah and normally fly down there once or twice a summer.

Get your flying in early and be concerned whenever the winds aloft are

greater than 25 knots, it can get pretty bumpy on the leeward side of the

big mountains.  I agree with TDT make it a round trip and catch the Ca coast

and the intermountain west.  Jackson Hole Wy is a beautiful destination.  Or

maybe you can swing by my hanger in Ogden and show me what a finished -10

looks like....Mike Howe is right down the road also.



Also, I do not find the temperatures all that bad in the morning, a little

hot on the ground, but great at altitude.  But it is a dry heat.....so in

the afternoon it is like the dry heat in a sauna. 



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Rene' Felker

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rick.conti(at)boeing.com
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

Tim, I don't understand.  Who could possibly force a big guy like you to

fly anywhere ?! 



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Thank You

Rick Conti

Senior Engineering Manager

The Boeing Company

          office: 703 - 414 - 6141

blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134

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Tim(at)MyRV10.com
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 11:53 am Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

There is but one woman....and I don't argue with a woman with

a gun...especially a rivet gun. 



I've been reading all of your on and off list responses and

they all seem to have a common theme.  The part that

stinks is if I leave from Wisconsin, I can probably

easily make Vegas in one day, but I'd have to be willing to

fly through the worst of it in the afternoon to do that.

Perhaps I would be better flying to Denver or something,

and then get up the next day and leave early?   It's hard

to tell what makes a good plan.  I am considering the circle

route and coming back up the coast.  Actually, it may end

up being that I go down there that way and come back the

planned route, as I'm on call the following week but I'm

not for that whole week before. So I have little time

after the 1st, but a bit before.



Thanks everyone for your encouragement and your offers of

a home for the plane!

-

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Conti, Rick wrote:

[quote] 

 

 Tim, I don't understand.  Who could possibly force a big guy like you to

 fly anywhere ?! 

 

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 Thank You

 Rick Conti

 Senior Engineering Manager

 The Boeing Company

           office: 703 - 414 - 6141

 blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134

 

 

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LarryRosen

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 415
Location: Medford, NJ

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:02 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

Or the alternate, Fly Commercial. 



Conti, Rick wrote:

[quote] 



 Tim, I don't understand.  Who could possibly force a big guy like you to

 fly anywhere ?! 



 DO NOT ARCHIVE



 Thank You

 Rick Conti

 Senior Engineering Manager

 The Boeing Company

           office: 703 - 414 - 6141

 blackberry: 571 - 215 - 6134

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Deems Davis

Joined: 09 Jan 2006
Posts: 925

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:03 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

Tim, I'm currently living in Arizona and I've  done most of my flying in 

the Western US. The rule of thumb most of us use is to launch EARLY (as 

early as possible) and be on the ground before midday. By doing so you 

can usually enjoy a clear and smooth ride. From 10:00 on the convective 

activity increases . Mid July is when we begin the 'monsoon' season, 

which draws moisture up from the south and makes for some considerable 

convective activity by the noon time hour.If there is any moisture in 

the area at all you can expect cumulus, and not infrequently nimbus and 

giganticus . Flying (at) 10-14k is the norm when crossing west to east or 

visa versa. If your itinerary doesn't mandate Las Vegas, I'd suggest  a 

more direct route after crossing the Grand Canyon. Be advised that 

flight over the GC is restricted and there are designated crossing 

'lanes'. Make sure that you fly over Lake Powell and take in the 

Monuments and arches before the GC. Don't worry about the temp (at) 

altitude, it will be 30 degrees cooler (at) 10K, and oh yeah remember "it's 

a dry heat!"



Deems Davis # 406

Joining fuse &tailcone

http://deemsrv10.com/



Tim Olson wrote:



 	  Quote: 	
		   Ok, so I'm paranoid...



 There's a chance that I might be forcibly ordered to fly from

 Wisconsin to San Diego, CA for a wedding on July 1st.  It's

 *only* a 12 hour flight, so that's no problem.  The problem

 is, I'd be flying down to New Mexico, across the Grand Canyon,

 and then up to Vegas and down to San Diego.  One thing I

 did some research on is the average daily temps, which get

 into the 102-108 degree F range in those SouthWest states...

 and that's "average".   The other much more minor issue

 is the mountains, as it looks like on my route my max

 mountain height is 10,000'.



 What I'd like to know is, can someone who lives down there

 in those areas, or anywhere in between Wisconsin and there,

 tell me how bad of weather and it's effects am I likely

 to see during that time of year right around July 1st?



 I've attached a picture of my route.  It's not straight,

 but that's so I can do some visiting and sightseeing.



 All I know is if it was 105 degrees up where I live, the

 last thing I'd want do do is climb in my airplane for

 a flight.  You'd be cooking up here.

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speckter(at)comcast.net
Guest

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

Besides all the other tips people send in, I suggest gatoraid.  I have made

the trip several times from MSP and done it both VFR and IFR.  I much prefer

VFR to do some sight seeing. 



I flew to Laramie WY then over the ridge and straight south to Kremling CO.

Head west to Grand Junction and follow the Colorado river down to Lake

Powell.  It is very scenic and very desolate.  I then went west to St George

UT and down into Las Vagas. Then west into the Mohave and crossed into the

LA basin through the EL Cajon pass.  You can fly the whole route and not get

above 10,000'.  Go early and beware of density altitude.  It can easily get

to be 11,000' in places like Laramie.  What is your climb rate at 11,000 at

full gross?

Call me if you want to chat about other possible routes.

Gary



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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
Guest

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:20 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

Tim:



You are, of course, realizing the distinction between Las Vegas, NM

(KLVS) and Las Vegas, NV (KLAS or KVGT or KHND).



I also don't recommend landing at KLSV (Nellis AFB).  The Security

Forces guys might not appreciate that . . . !



TDT

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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
Guest

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:22 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

Or maybe we'll find out if Tim can install an a/c system in his airplane

within the next two months!



TDT

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deej(at)deej.net
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:27 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

Larry Rosen wrote:

 	  Quote: 	
		   

 

 Or the alternate, Fly Commercial. 

	
	


	Aaahh!  Heretic!  *wink*



-Dj

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rvbuilder(at)sausen.net
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:52 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

 Or you might get run over by a Raptor.  Of course you have a couple big, long, dry lake bed runways about 100 miles north.  Weeeeee.

 

 Michael   

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bpattonsoa(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:54 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

My main Recreational Vehicle has 15 meter wings and no motor so I generally don't launch until the afternoon and hate smooth.  

   

  I would recommend Oxygen for the West, if you cruise below 8,000  you are scraping rocks, or so it seems, and have a long way to go to a strip.  Flying in some areas below 12K is marginal.  I get a headache and go dumb (er) above 9K, so I have a Mountain High EDS for the glider and two place system in the RV-6.  Wonderful and very low Oxygen use.

   

  Talking to a pilot who just put his Reno racer into a dirt strip in the mountains, I learned an interesting thing about the wonderful world of GPS and the applications we use.  Apparently he pushed the "Nearest Airport" when the problems started and discovered the nearest was far out of glide range.  He headed to what appeared to be a

moons1999(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

   I have done all of my training in and around Arizona.  It really isn't that bad, you just have to do it early.  I've done the afternoons in the summer and really they aren't too bad, assuming there aren't any thunderstorms around.  Generally, the first thunderstorms seem to start on or within one day of the Fourth of July.  Best bet is to be down before two or three o'clock.  You could also go for the bumpy ride at Va and just avoid the build up.

   By the way, it is currently 95 here in Phoenix...uuugghh...I've been here for seven years and I still don't like it.  "Dry heat"....yeah, right....when it is 110 it doesn't matter if it is dry, damp or wet.....It's too frikken hot!



--Shawn

40366



Tim Olson <Tim(at)MyRV10.com> wrote: 	  Quote: 	
		   Ok, so I'm paranoid...



There's a chance  that I might be forcibly ordered to fly from

Wisconsin to San Diego, CA for a wedding on July 1st.  It's

*only* a 12 hour flight, so that's no problem.  The problem

is, I'd be flying down to New Mexico, across the Grand Canyon,

and then up to Vegas and down to San Diego.  One thing I

did some research on is the average daily temps, which get

into the 102-108 degree F range in those SouthWest states...

and that's "average".   The other much more minor issue

is the mountains, as it looks like on my route my max

mountain height is 10,000'.



What I'd like to know is, can someone who lives down there

in those areas, or anywhere in between Wisconsin and there,

tell me how bad of weather and it's effects am I likely

to see during that time of year right around July 1st?



I've attached a picture of my route.  It's not straight,

but that's so I can do some visiting and sightseeing.



All I know is if it was 105 degrees up  where I live, the

last thing I'd want do do is climb in my airplane for

a flight.  You'd be cooking up here.



-- 

Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Tdawson(at)avidyne.com
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 12:58 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

Hee hee – somebody give Tim the coordinates for Area 51 (Groom  Lake) and tell him there’s cheap gas there . . .  

   

TDT

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From: owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen)

 Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 4:51 PM

 To: rv10-list(at)matronics.com

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 Or you might get run over by a Raptor.  Of course you have a couple big, long, dry lake bed runways about 100 miles north.  Weeeeee.

 

 Michael   

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jesse(at)itecusa.org
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Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

I don't live there, but being from FL where it can get pretty hot on a long

taxi, the best thing I can suggest is hold the doors open when taxiing, fly

high, make as few stops as possible.



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Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

352-465-4545



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bpattonsoa(at)yahoo.com
Guest

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 1:28 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

(got cut off for some reason)

   

  Talking to a pilot who just put his Reno racer into a dirt strip in the mountains, I learned an interesting thing about the wonderful world of GPS and the applications we use.  Apparently he pushed the "Nearest Airport" when the problems started and discovered the nearest was far out of glide range.  He headed to what appeared to be a flat area within glide range and found a 3500 foot gravel/rock strip.  He put it down semi-successfully and walked away.

   

  When he set up the GPS for the "nearest Airport" function, he had asked for a long runway a hard surface so the computer ignored the airport that probably saved his life. He was lucky to fly right over the airport which apparently was not showing on the map for the same reason.  

   

  Bruce Patton 

Bruce Patton <bpattonsoa(at)yahoo.com>  wrote:   	  Quote: 	
		    

My main Recreational Vehicle has 15 meter wings and no motor so I generally don't launch until the afternoon and hate smooth.  

   

  I would recommend Oxygen for the West, if you cruise below 8,000  you are scraping rocks, or so it seems, and have a long way to go to a strip.  Flying in some areas below 12K is marginal.  I get a headache and go dumb (er) above 9K, so I have a Mountain High EDS for the glider and two place system in the RV-6.  Wonderful and very low Oxygen use.

Tim(at)MyRV10.com
Guest

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 1:54 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

So where can I find them Aliens, and I don't mean them there

illegal kind who's is striking today.  I still have to pay them back

for that probe they did when they picked me up years ago.



Oh, and yeah, I figured out the difference between the 2 Vegas's...

I just tried to plot a general route to get a distance and see

the mountain heights.  In actuality, I'd adjust it based on

leg length and gas price.  Ours just went up .55 cents this week

to 3.609/gal.  Still way off from some of the really high prices,

but 2 years ago I would have had to fly to one of the biggest

airports to pay this much.



Tim Olson - RV-10 N104CD - Flying

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Tim Dawson-Townsend wrote:

[quote] Hee hee – somebody give Tim the coordinates for Area 51 (Groom  Lake) 

 and tell him there’s cheap gas there . . .

 

  

 

 TDT

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 *From:* owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com 

 [mailto:owner-rv10-list-server(at)matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *RV Builder 

 (Michael Sausen)

 *Sent:* Monday, May 01, 2006 4:51 PM

 *To:* rv10-list(at)matronics.com

 *Subject:* RE: X/C into a convection oven

 

  

 

  Or you might get run over by a Raptor.  Of course you have a couple 

 big, long, dry lake bed runways about 100 miles north.  Weeeeee.

 

 Michael

 

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jesse(at)itecusa.org
Guest

Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 2:17 pm Post subject: X/C into a convection oven

.55 cents isn't bad in one jump.  Now, if it had been 55 cents or .55

dollar(s), that would be a big jump. 



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Jesse Saint

I-TEC, Inc.

jesse(at)itecusa.org

www.itecusa.org

352-465-4545



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