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mantafs(at)earthlink.net
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Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 5:00 am Post subject: KIS Sold

Jason,



I am also working to install an IO-360 in my TR1 but have just started.  But I think maybe an IO-320 is more cost and time effective for the TR1.  I have read that with similar modifications to the 320 that Scott has done to the 360 you should have about 195 hp.  There is also a conversion for the 320 to make it a 340 but it is expensive.



If you wanted to be faster than your friend's RV you could sell you 290 and get a 320 and add the mods.



Mark

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jason(at)hills.org
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 8:01 am Post subject: KIS Sold

I haven't been in a Lancair 360, but I think the 235 is almost the same plane. Somewhere between 235 and 360 they changed the tail to improve stall/spin characteristics, but I still would avoid stalls/spins in that family of planes... 



The cockpits are likely similar. Compared to the TR-1 the Lancair 235 reclines people more. I think that improves comfort for tall people. Width is snug like the TR-1. 



My biggest problem with my plane's cockpit is anyone over 6'1" or 2" just doesn't fit (half my friends who would like to go flying). They have to bend their head sideways. At 6' I have to be careful what headset I use or the band brushes the ceiling and transmits engine vibration to me. Annoying! My Zulu works great as long as I'm left seat (right seat is 1/2" worse to clear the transponder plate and fitting below the seat). 



..Jason 

On Oct 27, 2010, at 5:48 AM, Mark Kettering <mantafs(at)earthlink.net> wrote:



[quote] 

 

 Hi John,

 

 I think Scott answered 1 and 3.  I do not know how large the Lancair cockpit is.  I remember seeing a web page that listed cockpit widths sometime ago but do not remember where.  Also width does not tell the whole story.  You really need to go and sit in them yourself to try them out for size and shape.

 

 Mark

 

 

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richard_trickel(at)yahoo.
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:10 am Post subject: KIS Sold

Jason

 I am 6-2 and have no trouble.  I am not sure but do´t you have Kirby jeffersons plane.  If so I know his seate were really fay > I did the test flight and was scrunched pretty bad.  I would redo the seats.  Follow the manual and thind down the cushions.  when proper the back seat botton is almost none existant.. 

 Rich

--- On Wed, 10/27/10, Jason Hills <jason(at)hills.org> wrote:

 [quote]

From: Jason Hills <jason(at)hills.org>

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com" <kis-list(at)matronics.com>

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 3:57 PM

 --> KIS-List message posted by: Jason Hills <jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org)>

I haven't been in a Lancair 360, but I think the 235 is almost the same plane. Somewhere between 235 and 360 they changed the tail to improve stall/spin characteristics, but I still would avoid stalls/spins in that family of planes... 

The cockpits are likely similar. Compared to the TR-1 the Lancair 235 reclines people more. I think that improves comfort for tall people. Width is snug like the TR-1. 

My biggest problem with my plane's cockpit is anyone over 6'1" or 2" just doesn't fit (half my friends who would like to go flying). They have to bend their head sideways. At 6' I have to be careful what headset I use or the band brushes the ceiling and transmits engine vibration to me. Annoying! My Zulu works great as long as I'm left  seat (right seat is 1/2" worse to clear the transponder plate and fitting below the seat). 

...Jason 

On Oct 27, 2010, at 5:48 AM, Mark Kettering <mantafs(at)earthlink.net (mantafs(at)earthlink.net)> wrote:

[quote] --> KIS-List message posted by: Mark Kettering <mantafs(at)earthlink.net (mantafs(at)earthlink.net)>

 Hi John,

 I think Scott answered 1 and 3.  I do not know how large the Lancair cockpit is.  I remember seeing a web page that listed cockpit widths sometime ago but do not remember where.  Also width does not tell the whole story.  You really need to go and sit in them yourself to try them out for size and shape.

 Mark

 -----Original  Message-----

> From: John Petrie <jpetrie(at)sonicfactory.co.za (jpetrie(at)sonicfactory.co.za)>

> Sent: Oct 26, 2010 10:53 PM

> To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)

> Subject: Re: KIS-List: KIS Sold

> 

> --> KIS-List message posted by: John Petrie <jpetrie(at)sonicfactory.co.za (jpetrie(at)sonicfactory.co.za)>

> 

> Mark,

> 

> You make a very good argument for the TR-1. I have a few questions though:

> 1. What do you mean by "...the wings tend to stay on"?

> 2. How does the cockpit size compare to the Lancair?

>  3. Is it really possible to fit an O-360 to the TR-1 and if so, what are the

> CG implications?

> 

> John

> 

> 

> 

> 

>> From: Mark Kettering <mantafs(at)earthlink.net (mantafs(at)earthlink.net)>

>> Reply-To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>

>> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:47:04 -0400 (EDT)

>> To: <kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)>

>> Subject: Re: KIS Sold

>> 

>> --> KIS-List message posted by: Mark Kettering <mantafs(at)earthlink.net (mantafs(at)earthlink.net)>

>> 

>> Hi Scott,

>> 

>> In many ways the RV 7 kits are the best kits in the world.  Fantastic fit,

>> instructions, factory support, third party support, options, resale value and

>> much more.  But they are not the best aircraft. They are little more than a

>> kit of 1960's designs like the Grummans or others.  Compared to a more modern

>> composite aircraft they really are not all that good of performers.  They tend

>> to be slower (for a given engine and stall speed), have less useful load and

>> even with being a great kit they still tend to cost a fair amount to finish

>> and take a fair amount of time.  Most of the RV 7s are over 1200 lbs  empty

>> weight!  I think even your big engine IFR TR1 is well under 1000 lbs.  Or was

>> it well under 900 lbs?

>> 

>> I know being part of the RV club has it's own draw but I think your plane is a

>> much better choice.  Yes there are problems with the TR1.  But at least the

>> wings tend to stay on.

>> 

>> Mark 

>> 

>> 

>> --

jason(at)hills.org
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:04 am Post subject: KIS Sold

My plane was Richard Warden's tail-dragger (serial number 51 I believe), but the seats are fairly thick. Worth looking into! Thanks.



..Jason

Oct 27, 2010 10:13:41 AM, kis-list(at)matronics.com wrote:



===========================================

JasonI am 6-2 and have no trouble.  I am not sure but doÂ´t you have Kirby jeffersons plane.  If so I know his seate were really fay > I did the test flight and was scrunched pretty bad.  I would redo the seats.  Follow the manual and thind down the cushions.  when proper the back seat botton is almost none existant.. Rich



--- On Wed, 10/27/10, Jason Hills  wrote:



From: Jason Hills 

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com" 

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 3:57 PM






I haven't been in a Lancair 360, but I think the 235 is almost the same plane. Somewhere between 235 and 360 they changed the tail to improve stall/spin characteristics, but I still would avoid stalls/spins in that family of planes... 



The cockpits are likely similar. Compared to the TR-1 the Lancair 235 reclines people more. I think that improves comfort for tall people. Width is snug like the TR-1. 



My biggest problem with my plane's cockpit is anyone over 6'1" or 2" just doesn't fit (half my friends who would like to go flying). They have to bend their head sideways. At 6' I have to be careful what headset I use or the band brushes the ceiling and transmits engine vibration to me. Annoying! My Zulu works great as long as I'm left seat (right seat is 1/2" worse to clear the transponder plate and fitting below the seat). 



..Jason 

On Oct 27, 2010, at 5:48 AM, Mark Kettering  wrote:



[quote] 

 

 Hi John,

 

 I think Scott answered 1 and 3.  I do not know how large the Lancair cockpit is.  I remember seeing a web page that listed cockpit widths sometime ago but do not remember where.  Also width does not tell the whole story.  You really need to go and sit in them yourself to try them out for size and shape.

 

 Mark

 

 

 --

richard_trickel(at)yahoo.
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:40 am Post subject: KIS Sold

Jason

 Yea that was built mostly by chuck and Dick was fairly short so they put thick seats in that also.  I think I also flew that plane.  Is it still Yellow or did you paint it.

 RICH



--- On Wed, 10/27/10, jason(at)hills.org <jason(at)hills.org> wrote:



 [quote]

From: jason(at)hills.org <jason(at)hills.org>

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 7:02 PM



 --> KIS-List message posted by: jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org)



My plane was Richard Warden's tail-dragger (serial number 51 I believe), but the seats are fairly thick. Worth looking into! Thanks.



...Jason

Oct 27, 2010 10:13:41 AM, kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com) wrote:



==================

JasonI am 6-2 and have no trouble.  I am not sure but do´t you have Kirby jeffersons plane.  If so I know his seate were really fay > I did the test flight and was scrunched pretty bad.  I would redo the seats.  Follow the manual and thind down the cushions.  when proper the back seat botton is almost none existant.. Rich



--- On Wed,  10/27/10, Jason Hills  wrote:



From: Jason Hills 

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)" 

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 3:57 PM



--> KIS-List message posted by: Jason Hills 



I haven't been in a Lancair 360, but I think the 235 is almost the same plane. Somewhere between 235 and 360 they changed the tail to improve stall/spin characteristics, but I still would avoid stalls/spins in that family of planes... 



The cockpits are likely similar. Compared to the TR-1 the Lancair 235 reclines people more. I think that improves comfort for tall people. Width is snug like the TR-1. 



My biggest problem with my plane's cockpit is anyone over 6'1" or 2" just doesn't fit (half my friends who would like to go flying). They have to bend their head sideways. At 6' I have to  be careful what headset I use or the band brushes the ceiling and transmits engine vibration to me. Annoying! My Zulu works great as long as I'm left seat (right seat is 1/2" worse to clear the transponder plate and fitting below the seat). 



...Jason 

On Oct 27, 2010, at 5:48 AM, Mark Kettering  wrote:



[quote] --> KIS-List message posted by: Mark Kettering 

 

 Hi John,

 

 I think Scott answered 1 and 3.  I do not know how large the Lancair cockpit is.  I remember seeing a web page that listed cockpit widths sometime ago but do not remember where.  Also width does not tell the whole story.  You really need to go and sit in them yourself to try them out for size and shape.

 

 Mark

 

 

 --

ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:01 pm Post subject: KIS Sold

Be sure to use Temper Foam. I used 1" blue and 1" pink to get my seat as low 

as possible and it is the best seat I ride in!



Tim

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jason(at)hills.org
Guest

Posted: Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:43 pm Post subject: KIS Sold

Yeah, my understanding is it was largely built by "factory" guys. Someone else has mentioned that one of the people familiar with its build may be up in the Scappoose, OR area as well, but I've never followed up on that.



It is still yellow nose/cowling transitioning to white tail with a small blue stripe(s) on the fuse and wings. The paint is showing some aging, but it looks good from 10 feet away. It's lived in hangers most of the last 16 years I think. I'm the 4th, and I believe longest owner now (I bought in March 2005). 



A few weeks ago I flew down to KCMA (from KPAE) with it. The log book has early records of flying between KOXR and KCMA for some engine work. Assuming it was test-flown somewhere down in that area.



It's a great plane. Looks good, flies well, is super economical, especially for longer x-country travel, which is something I really enjoy. 



..Jason



Oct 27, 2010 12:41:23 PM, kis-list(at)matronics.com wrote:



===========================================

JasonYea that was built mostly by chuck and Dick was fairly short so they put thick seats in that also.  I think I also flew that plane.  Is it still Yellow or did you paint it.RICH



--- On Wed, 10/27/10, jason(at)hills.org  wrote:



From: jason(at)hills.org 

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 7:02 PM






My plane was Richard Warden's tail-dragger (serial number 51 I believe), but the seats are fairly thick. Worth looking into! Thanks.



..Jason

Oct 27, 2010 10:13:41 AM, kis-list(at)matronics.com wrote:



==================

JasonI am 6-2 and have no trouble.  I am not sure but doÂ´t you have Kirby jeffersons plane.  If so I know his seate were really fay > I did the test flight and was scrunched pretty bad.  I would redo the seats.  Follow the manual and thind down the cushions.  when proper the back seat botton is almost none existant.. Rich



--- On Wed, 10/27/10, Jason Hills  wrote:



From: Jason Hills 

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com" 

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 3:57 PM






I haven't been in a Lancair 360, but I think the 235 is almost the same plane. Somewhere between 235 and 360 they changed the tail to improve stall/spin characteristics, but I still would avoid stalls/spins in that family of planes... 



The cockpits are likely similar. Compared to the TR-1 the Lancair 235 reclines people more. I think that improves comfort for tall people. Width is snug like the TR-1. 



My biggest problem with my plane's cockpit is anyone over 6'1" or 2" just doesn't fit (half my friends who would like to go flying). They have to bend their head sideways. At 6' I have to be careful what headset I use or the band brushes the ceiling and transmits engine vibration to me. Annoying! My Zulu works great as long as I'm left seat (right seat is 1/2" worse to clear the transponder plate and fitting below the seat). 



..Jason 

On Oct 27, 2010, at 5:48 AM, Mark Kettering  wrote:



[quote] 

 

 Hi John,

 

 I think Scott answered 1 and 3.  I do not know how large the Lancair cockpit is.  I remember seeing a web page that listed cockpit widths sometime ago but do not remember where.  Also width does not tell the whole story.  You really need to go and sit in them yourself to try them out for size and shape.

 

 Mark

 

 

 --

richard_trickel(at)yahoo.
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:39 am Post subject: KIS Sold

Jason

 The plane was mostly built By Chuck Harrison and Steve Ruege who co own Composites Unlimited in Scappoose.  At the time they were long time employees of mine at High tech Compostes. Chuck started working for me at 17 though he had some experience already. We both worked together (different Dept.) at Task Research in Santa Paula. He was my first employee and a quick learner.  We are still good friends.  

 The plane was built in Oxnard but test flown in Camarillo because Oxnard does not like test flying.  I remember it was a good flying plane but at first had some problems on the ground.  Seems to want to turn on its own..  Really frustrated us but somehow fixed it.  It was a few years ago so don`t rember all.  Dick kept it in at his house/airport in Florida.

 Rich

 Sometimes good to think about the past



--- On Wed, 10/27/10, jason(at)hills.org <jason(at)hills.org> wrote:



 [quote]

From: jason(at)hills.org <jason(at)hills.org>

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 10:32 PM



 --> KIS-List message posted by: jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org)



Yeah, my understanding is it was largely built by "factory" guys. Someone else has mentioned that one of the people familiar with its build may be up in the Scappoose, OR area as well, but I've never followed up on that.



It is still yellow nose/cowling transitioning to white tail with a small blue stripe(s) on the fuse and wings. The paint is showing some aging, but it looks good from 10 feet away. It's lived in hangers most of the last 16 years I think. I'm the 4th, and I believe longest owner now (I bought in March 2005). 



A few weeks ago I flew down to KCMA (from KPAE) with it. The log book has early records of flying between KOXR and KCMA for some engine work. Assuming it was test-flown somewhere down in that area.



It's a great plane. Looks  good, flies well, is super economical, especially for longer x-country travel, which is something I really enjoy. 



...Jason



Oct 27, 2010 12:41:23 PM, kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com) wrote:



==================

JasonYea that was built mostly by chuck and Dick was fairly short so they put thick seats in that also.  I think I also flew that plane.  Is it still Yellow or did you paint it.RICH



--- On Wed, 10/27/10, jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org)  wrote:



From: jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org) 

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 7:02 PM



--> KIS-List message posted by: jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org)



My plane was Richard Warden's tail-dragger (serial number 51 I believe), but the seats are fairly thick. Worth looking into! Thanks.



...Jason

Oct 27, 2010 10:13:41 AM, kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com) wrote:



==================

JasonI am 6-2 and have no trouble.  I am not sure but do´t you have Kirby jeffersons plane.  If so I know his seate were really fay > I did the test flight and was scrunched pretty bad.  I would redo the  seats.  Follow the manual and thind down the cushions.  when proper the back seat botton is almost none existant.. Rich



--- On Wed, 10/27/10, Jason Hills  wrote:



From: Jason Hills 

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)" 

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 3:57 PM



--> KIS-List message posted by: Jason Hills 



I haven't been in a Lancair 360, but I think the 235 is almost the same plane. Somewhere between 235 and 360 they changed the tail to improve stall/spin characteristics, but I still would avoid stalls/spins in that family of planes... 



The cockpits are likely similar. Compared to the TR-1 the Lancair 235 reclines people more. I think that improves comfort for tall people. Width is snug like the TR-1. 



My biggest problem with my plane's  cockpit is anyone over 6'1" or 2" just doesn't fit (half my friends who would like to go flying). They have to bend their head sideways. At 6' I have to be careful what headset I use or the band brushes the ceiling and transmits engine vibration to me. Annoying! My Zulu works great as long as I'm left seat (right seat is 1/2" worse to clear the transponder plate and fitting below the seat). 



...Jason 

On Oct 27, 2010, at 5:48 AM, Mark Kettering  wrote:



[quote] --> KIS-List message posted by: Mark Kettering 

 

 Hi John,

 

 I think Scott answered 1 and 3.  I do not know how large the Lancair cockpit is.  I remember seeing a web page that listed cockpit widths sometime ago but do not remember where.  Also width does not tell the whole story.  You really need to go and sit in them yourself to try them out for size and shape.

 

 Mark

 

 

  --

jason(at)hills.org
Guest

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 9:44 pm Post subject: KIS Sold

Rich, 

Thanks for the bit of historical color on my plane! Fun to hear a bit of its past.

The first few years I had the plane it was a bit tricky in the landing roll out. At one of my annual condition inspections, my A&P suggested we replace the wheels, brakes and wheel pants with RV-8 parts. I picked up about 5 kts in speed and the plane now rolls out nice and straight/smooth on landing, it also shortened the take-off roll a bit. We suspect the old brakes were dragging inconsistently leading to extra drag and increased difficulty in slowing down and staying straight.

It was fun as I flew into Camarillo to think that my plane was returning to visit its flight test area for the first time in a long while. I barely snuck in the evening of Oct 2 before everything fogged up. Actually I'd been planning on landing at Oxnard. The sun was setting and as I went over Santa Barbara the weather was clear up ahead. A few minutes later Oxnard had gone IFR so I changed my destination to Camarillo. Entering the class D tower had two of us fly non-standard patterns and land from the west as it looked like conditions were deteriorating to the east. Not 15 minutes after landing Camarillo was IFR as well. I was setup to fly an approach in if needed, but was glad I didn't have to as I was running late to meet up with friends, and an approach would have added a bit of extra time. 

Of course I'd been delayed due to a wall of thunderstorms from San Louis Obispo to Bakersfield that afternoon. Landed at Paso Robles for an hour or so until it looked like I could sneak down along the coast. Amazing to think that my day had started in cruddy weather up in Seattle where I did an IFR departure, climbed through multiple layers and over the cascades to avoid the crud in western washington and oregon. On to Klamath Falls, OR for lunch and fuel, then the unplanned stop at Paso Robles. The plane would have made the trip with just one fuel stop at any of Klamath Falls, Redding or Red Bluff if the weather hadn't gotten in my way. If it hadn't been so amazingly hot with an inversion I'd have made even better time (it was a sweltering 75+ deg at 11,000 feet down most of eastern Oregon and California that day, which made for higher than normal engine temps and a bit of throttling back).

The weather was IFR the whole time I was down there. Eventually I talked to a local CFII to get a sense of what ATC was likely to ask of me and the plane and made an IFR departure out of KCMA for the return trip when things weren't improving after lunch. Similar to what we get up in Seattle, I was concerned about being to asked to fly IMC towards mountains. The CFII recommended filing out the way I came in, and that worked out well, breaking out on top around 7000 ft, soon I was GPS direct to Redding VMC the whole way. 

These airplanes truly are magical in their ability to eat up miles. For $455 of 100LL I was able to fly roundtrip, avoid the hassles of commercial airlines and the TSA, got to go on my own schedule, and was able to finally add the state of California to my logbook. Vacations don't get much better than that for me.

...Jason



On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:36 AM, Richard Trickel wrote:

[quote]Jason

 The plane was mostly built By Chuck Harrison and Steve Ruege who co own Composites Unlimited in Scappoose.  At the time they were long time employees of mine at High tech Compostes. Chuck started working for me at 17 though he had some experience already. We both worked together (different Dept.) at Task Research in Santa Paula. He was my first employee and a quick learner.  We are still good friends.  

 The plane was built in Oxnard but test flown in Camarillo because Oxnard does not like test flying.  I remember it was a good flying plane but at first had some problems on the ground.  Seems to want to turn on its own..  Really frustrated us but somehow fixed it.  It was a few years ago so don`t rember all.  Dick kept it in at his house/airport in Florida.

 Rich

 Sometimes good to think about the past



--- On Wed, 10/27/10, jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org) <jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org)> wrote:



 [quote]

From: jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org) <jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org)>

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 10:32 PM



 --> KIS-List message posted by: jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org)



Yeah, my understanding is it was largely built by "factory" guys. Someone else has mentioned that one of the people familiar with its build may be up in the Scappoose, OR area as well, but I've never followed up on that.



It is still yellow nose/cowling transitioning to white tail with a small blue stripe(s) on the fuse and wings. The paint is showing some aging, but it looks good from 10 feet away. It's lived in hangers most of the last 16 years I think. I'm the 4th, and I believe longest owner now (I bought in March 2005). 



A few weeks ago I flew down to KCMA (from KPAE) with it. The log book has early records of flying between KOXR and KCMA for some engine work. Assuming it was test-flown somewhere down in that area.



It's a great plane. Looks  good, flies well, is super economical, especially for longer x-country travel, which is something I really enjoy. 



...Jason



Oct 27, 2010 12:41:23 PM, kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com) wrote:



==================

JasonYea that was built mostly by chuck and Dick was fairly short so they put thick seats in that also.  I think I also flew that plane.  Is it still Yellow or did you paint it.RICH



--- On Wed, 10/27/10, jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org)  wrote:



From: jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org) 

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 7:02 PM



--> KIS-List message posted by: jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org)



My plane was Richard Warden's tail-dragger (serial number 51 I believe), but the seats are fairly thick. Worth looking into! Thanks.



...Jason

Oct 27, 2010 10:13:41 AM, kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com) wrote:



==================

JasonI am 6-2 and have no trouble.  I am not sure but do´t you have Kirby jeffersons plane.  If so I know his seate were really fay > I did the test flight and was scrunched pretty bad.  I would redo the  seats.  Follow the manual and thind down the cushions.  when proper the back seat botton is almost none existant.. Rich



--- On Wed, 10/27/10, Jason Hills  wrote:



From: Jason Hills 

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)" 

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 3:57 PM



--> KIS-List message posted by: Jason Hills 



I haven't been in a Lancair 360, but I think the 235 is almost the same plane. Somewhere between 235 and 360 they changed the tail to improve stall/spin characteristics, but I still would avoid stalls/spins in that family of planes... 



The cockpits are likely similar. Compared to the TR-1 the Lancair 235 reclines people more. I think that improves comfort for tall people. Width is snug like the TR-1. 



My biggest problem with my plane's  cockpit is anyone over 6'1" or 2" just doesn't fit (half my friends who would like to go flying). They have to bend their head sideways. At 6' I have to be careful what headset I use or the band brushes the ceiling and transmits engine vibration to me. Annoying! My Zulu works great as long as I'm left seat (right seat is 1/2" worse to clear the transponder plate and fitting below the seat). 



...Jason 

On Oct 27, 2010, at 5:48 AM, Mark Kettering  wrote:



[quote] --> KIS-List message posted by: Mark Kettering 

 

 Hi John,

 

 I think Scott answered 1 and 3.  I do not know how large the Lancair cockpit is.  I remember seeing a web page that listed cockpit widths sometime ago but do not remember where.  Also width does not tell the whole story.  You really need to go and sit in them yourself to try them out for size and shape.

 

 Mark

 

 

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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:38 pm Post subject: KIS Sold

I live in Camarillo (KCMA).  I wish I would have know you were there I would have loved to see your airplane.  If you're down again let me know.

  

 Scott



--- On Thu, 10/28/10, Jason Hills <jason(at)hills.org> wrote:



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From: Jason Hills <jason(at)hills.org>

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Thursday, October 28, 2010, 10:43 PM



  Rich, 

 



 Thanks for the bit of historical color on my plane! Fun to hear a bit of its past.

 



 The first few years I had the plane it was a bit tricky in the landing roll out. At one of my annual condition inspections, my A&P suggested we replace the wheels, brakes and wheel pants with RV-8 parts. I picked up about 5 kts in speed and the plane now rolls out nice and straight/smooth on landing, it also shortened the take-off roll a bit. We suspect the old brakes were dragging inconsistently leading to extra drag and increased difficulty in slowing down and staying straight.

 



 It was fun as I flew into Camarillo to think that my plane was returning to visit its flight test area for the first time in a long while. I barely snuck in the evening of Oct 2 before everything fogged up. Actually I'd been planning on landing at Oxnard. The sun was setting and as I went over Santa Barbara the weather was clear up ahead. A few minutes later Oxnard had gone IFR so I changed my destination to Camarillo. Entering the class D tower had two of us fly non-standard patterns and land from the west as it looked like conditions were deteriorating to the east. Not 15 minutes after landing Camarillo was IFR as well. I was setup to fly an approach in if needed, but was glad I didn't have to as I was running late to meet up with friends, and an approach would have added a bit of extra time. 

 



 Of course I'd been delayed due to a wall of thunderstorms from San Louis Obispo to Bakersfield that afternoon. Landed at Paso Robles for an hour or so until it looked like I could sneak down along the coast. Amazing to think that my day had started in cruddy weather up in Seattle where I did an IFR departure, climbed through multiple layers and over the cascades to avoid the crud in western washington and oregon. On to Klamath Falls, OR for lunch and fuel, then the unplanned stop at Paso Robles. The plane would have made the trip with just one fuel stop at any of Klamath Falls, Redding or Red Bluff if the weather hadn't gotten in my way. If it hadn't been so amazingly hot with an inversion I'd have made even better time (it was a sweltering 75+ deg at 11,000 feet down most of eastern Oregon and California that day, which made for higher than normal engine temps and a bit of throttling back).

 



 The weather was IFR the whole time I was down there. Eventually I talked to a local CFII to get a sense of what ATC was likely to ask of me and the plane and made an IFR departure out of KCMA for the return trip when things weren't improving after lunch. Similar to what we get up in Seattle, I was concerned about being to asked to fly IMC towards mountains. The CFII recommended filing out the way I came in, and that worked out well, breaking out on top around 7000 ft, soon I was GPS direct to Redding VMC the whole way. 

 



 These airplanes truly are magical in their ability to eat up miles. For $455 of 100LL I was able to fly roundtrip, avoid the hassles of commercial airlines and the TSA, got to go on my own schedule, and was able to finally add the state of California to my logbook. Vacations don't get much better than that for me.

 



 ...Jason

 

  On Oct 28, 2010, at 5:36 AM, Richard Trickel wrote:

 [quote]     Jason

 The plane was mostly built By Chuck Harrison and Steve Ruege who co own Composites Unlimited in Scappoose.  At the time they were long time employees of mine at High tech Compostes. Chuck started working for me at 17 though he had some experience already. We both worked together (different Dept.) at Task Research in Santa Paula. He was my first employee and a quick learner.  We are still good friends.  

 The plane was built in Oxnard but test flown in Camarillo because Oxnard does not like test flying.  I remember it was a good flying plane but at first had some problems on the ground.  Seems to want to turn on its own..  Really frustrated us but somehow fixed it.  It was a few years ago so don`t rember all.  Dick kept it in at his house/airport in Florida.

 Rich

 Sometimes good to think about the past



--- On Wed, 10/27/10, jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org) <jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org)> wrote:



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From: jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org) <jason(at)hills.org (jason(at)hills.org)>

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com (kis-list(at)matronics.com)

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 10:32 PM



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Yeah, my understanding is it was largely built by "factory" guys. Someone else has mentioned that one of the people familiar with its build may be up in the Scappoose, OR area as well, but I've never followed up on that.



It is still yellow nose/cowling transitioning to white tail with a small blue stripe(s) on the fuse and wings. The paint is showing some aging, but it looks good from 10 feet away. It's lived in hangers most of the last 16 years I think. I'm the 4th, and I believe longest owner now (I bought in March 2005). 



A few weeks ago I flew down to KCMA (from KPAE) with it. The log book has early records of flying between KOXR and KCMA for some engine work. Assuming it was test-flown somewhere down in that area.



It's a great plane.  Looks good, flies well, is super economical, especially for longer x-country travel, which is something I really enjoy. 



...Jason



Oct 27, 2010 12:41:23 PM, kis-list(at)matronics.com wrote:



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JasonYea that was built mostly by chuck and Dick was fairly short so they put thick seats in that also.  I think I also flew that plane.  Is it still Yellow or did you paint it.RICH



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From: jason(at)hills.org 

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 7:02 PM



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My plane was Richard Warden's tail-dragger (serial number 51 I believe), but the seats are fairly thick. Worth looking into! Thanks.



...Jason

Oct 27, 2010 10:13:41 AM, kis-list(at)matronics.com wrote:



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JasonI am 6-2 and have no trouble.  I am not sure but do´t you have Kirby jeffersons plane.  If so I know his seate were really fay > I did the test flight and was scrunched pretty bad.  I would redo the seats.  Follow the manual and thind down the cushions.  when proper the back seat botton is almost none  existant.. Rich



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Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: "kis-list(at)matronics.com" 

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 3:57 PM



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I haven't been in a Lancair 360, but I think the 235 is almost the same plane. Somewhere between 235 and 360 they changed the tail to improve stall/spin characteristics, but I still would avoid stalls/spins in that family of planes... 



The cockpits are likely similar. Compared to the TR-1 the Lancair 235 reclines people more. I think that improves comfort for tall people. Width is snug like the TR-1. 



My biggest problem with my plane's cockpit is anyone over 6'1" or 2" just doesn't fit (half my friends who would like to go flying). They have to bend their head  sideways. At 6' I have to be careful what headset I use or the band brushes the ceiling and transmits engine vibration to me. Annoying! My Zulu works great as long as I'm left seat (right seat is 1/2" worse to clear the transponder plate and fitting below the seat). 



...Jason 

On Oct 27, 2010, at 5:48 AM, Mark Kettering  wrote:



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 Hi John,

 

 I think Scott answered 1 and 3.  I do not know how large the Lancair cockpit is.  I remember seeing a web page that listed cockpit widths sometime ago but do not remember where.  Also width does not tell the whole story.  You really need to go and sit in them yourself to try them out for size and shape.

 

 Mark

 

 

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Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 10:39 pm Post subject: KIS Sold

I thought I wanted temperfoam too, but my interior guy (who does high end biz jets) talked me out of it.  Temper foam is like a rock when it's cold.  

  

 Scott



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From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com>

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Wednesday, October 27, 2010, 1:58 PM



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Be sure to use Temper Foam. I used 1" blue and 1" pink to get my seat as low as possible and it is the best seat I ride in!



Tim

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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 6:09 am Post subject: KIS Sold

Only for a few minutes, till your butt heats it  up. Also, I am in AZ. and it doesn't get very cold. I have flown 5 hr. legs  without discomfort. In a Cirrus I take a 1" pad of blue Temper foam to make long  legs bearable. Just be sure to use something that spreads your weight to  eliminate the hot spots.

 Temper foam is great for that!

 Tim 

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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 8:54 am Post subject: KIS Sold

Temper foam is great once it's warmed up.  I used the same kind of foam they use in the biz jets and it's really comfortable.  I think the cushion design has a lot to do with it too.

  

 Scott



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From: F. Tim Yoder <ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com>

Subject: Re: KIS Sold

To: kis-list(at)matronics.com

Date: Friday, October 29, 2010, 7:07 AM



    Only for a few minutes, till your butt heats it up. Also, I am in AZ. and it doesn't get very cold. I have flown 5 hr. legs without discomfort. In a Cirrus I take a 1" pad of blue Temper foam to make long legs bearable. Just be sure to use something that spreads your weight to eliminate the hot spots.

 Temper foam is great for that!

 Tim 

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