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Brian Carpenter



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: 2000 Rudder Reply with quote

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I have suffered a tail strike, so that some minor fiberglass repair is needed.. What is involved in removing and reinstalling a rudder in a Allegro 2000? Yes,the bolt for the skid plate broke up thru the fiberglass..

Brian

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:55 pm    Post subject: 2000 Rudder Reply with quote

Brian,

I have an Allegro 2000 ELSA. Since I built the plane from the kit I can scan and email you the portions of the assembly manual that covers the rudder installation. Is your plane an ELSA or a SLSA?

Hugh McKay
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Brian

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:58 pm    Post subject: 2000 Rudder Reply with quote

Hugh,

Thanks, It is SLSA,,, I have a A & P working with me..I was wondering if we have to drill out some rivets??
Brian

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Subject: Re: 2000 Rudder
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Brian,

I have an Allegro 2000 ELSA. Since I built the plane from the kit I can scan and email you the portions of the assembly manual that covers the rudder installation. Is your plane an ELSA or a SLSA?

Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW


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I have suffered a tail strike, so that some minor fiberglass repair is needed.. What is involved in removing and reinstalling a rudder in a Allegro 2000? Yes,the bolt for the skid plate broke up thru the fiberglass..

Brian

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:51 am    Post subject: 2000 Rudder Reply with quote

Brian and Hugh,

The original owner of my Allegro slightly damaged the fiberglass part of the rudder also at a tail strike. The damage is mainly aesthetic but I like to repair it.
Reason for me to ask Hugh to e-mail me also the portions of his assembly manual that cover the rudder installation. 
Brian, if possible, could you send me a photograph of the damaged section? Thanks to both of you.
Theo van Duin (France)
Allegro 2000
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2010/10/31 Brian Carpenter <n3081x(at)yahoo.com (n3081x(at)yahoo.com)>
[quote] Hugh,

Thanks, It is SLSA,,, I have a A & P working with me..I was wondering if we have to drill out some rivets??
Brian

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Date: Saturday, October 30, 2010, 1:53 PM

Brian,
 
I have an Allegro 2000 ELSA. Since I built the plane from the kit I can scan and email you the portions of the assembly manual that covers the rudder installation. Is your plane an ELSA or a SLSA?
 
Hugh McKay
Allegro 2000
Rotax 912 UL
N661WW


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I have suffered a tail strike, so that some minor fiberglass repair is needed.. What is involved in removing and reinstalling a rudder in a Allegro 2000?  Yes,the bolt for the skid plate broke up thru the fiberglass..

Brian

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 2:21 am    Post subject: Re: 2000 Rudder Reply with quote

Brian

Removal of the rudder is simple

Disconnect the 2 rudder cables
Drill out the 4 rivets holding the small pin plate on the right hand side (the pin itself is visible thru the center hole in the plate. All the flap / elevator mounts use the same system. Checling all the pins are visible should be part of the pre-flight)
Remove the cotter pin from the top mount pin
Mark and disconnect any electrical leads
release the bottom right angled pin by pulling upwards and remove thru the plate hole

Reassembly takes a little patience lining up the pin. It is much easier if the flat end of the pin is machined conical. You can't get your fingers inside with enough force to push it thru the nylon bushing - use piers or grips.
Check the pin enters and is captive in the 'hat' on the inside of the pin plate and is visible. Rivet the plate back.

Paul


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 8:12 am    Post subject: 2000 Rudder Reply with quote

Thanks Paul,

Seems that there are two rivets in the middle and 6-8 rivets around the outside edge. So the all the outside edge rivets would need to be drilled out?
Brian

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Brian

Removal of the rudder is simple

Disconnect the 2 rudder cables
Drill out the 4 rivets holding the small pin plate on the right hand side (the pin itself is visible thru the center hole in the plate. All the flap / elevator mounts use the same system. Checling all the pins are visible should be part of the pre-flight)
Remove the cotter pin from the top mount pin
Mark and disconnect any electrical leads
release the bottom right angled pin by pulling upwards and remove thru the plate hole

Reassembly takes a little patience lining up the pin. It is much easier if the flat end of the pin is machined conical. You can't get your fingers inside with enough force to push it thru the nylon bushing - use piers or grips.
Check the pin enters and is captive in the 'hat' on the inside of the pin plate and is visible. Rivet the plate back.

Paul


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:17 am    Post subject: Re: 2000 Rudder Reply with quote

Hi Brian

From memory, I thought it was 4 outside rivets holding the pin plate but it may well be 6 as you said.

Correct. Don't drill the 2 rivets in the middle - they hold the 'hat' that retains the pin in place.

The rudder skin is thin and fragile.

Before flying (and presumably part of normal pre-flight) check that
cottar pin on the small mounting pin at the extreme top of the rudder
cottar pins on each rudder cable
the bottom pin is visible just behind the tiny hole in the pin plate. This indicates it is correctly positioned and captive.

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