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bob(at)panth.co.uk
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 Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 6:56 am Post subject: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? |
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Hi,
My group (in the UK) is thinking about buying a 10 year old Kis Tr-1
with an 024 engine. Any input on what to look for and what to avoid
(weak spots, problem areas etc) would be appreciated. Also does anyone
know where I can find data on short field performance, fuel consumption
and general handling etc ?
Many Thanks (in advance)
Bob
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ftyoder(at)yoderbuilt.com
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| Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:04 am Post subject: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? |
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Hello Bob,
My TR-1 has the IO-240 B1B with 400+ hrs. I burn a little under 6 gph at
cruise at 165 mph.I wouldn't consider it to be a great short field performer
at gross wt. Mine is 1550#. There is a lot of information in the KIS-list
archives.
Tim
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Keith.Miller(at)esa.int
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 1:13 am Post subject: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? |
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Bob
I think the TR1 you are looking at is the one built by Ray Clegg and Ray is
a superb builder and very precise ( he went on to build the KIS Cruiser
4 place and a diesel powered RV7 ). if so, then it is fitted with a much
stronger nose gear of Rays own design . The nose gear on early models had
some problems particularly on hard landings with a cross wind .
other than that i do not believe there are any other problem areas , on the
plane itself, except there are no spare parts available anymore and very
limited factory support available,
| Quote: | From my own point of view , the KIS is not a short field lander , and my
personal limit is nothing at all shorter than 500m . Mine has a very sharp
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wing drop and a 200 ft plus recovery when it eventually stalls so i tend to
come in with a bit more speed than is perhaps absolutely necessary.
As far as performance figures are concerned there are only a limited number
of KIS 2 places available and not many with the same engine / prop
combination , but mine which has the IO240 B and a wooden fixed pitch, it
cruises at 125 kts on 21 litres / hour and flat out 165 kts burns
maybe 40 plus .
handling in the air , mine flys mostly hands free, but is sensitive to
the fuel load in each wing, it is sensitive in pitch , and it picks up speed
rapidly when the nose is pointed down ,
It is definitely not a plane for a very low time pilot , , even after 8
years and 350 hours i still can not make a consistent good landing
Keith
Owner & Builder of G-OKMA ( 350 hrs plus)
From: Bob Panther <bob(at)panth.co.uk>
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Date: 01/11/2010 15:58
Subject: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1?
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Hi,
My group (in the UK) is thinking about buying a 10 year old Kis Tr-1
with an 024 engine. Any input on what to look for and what to avoid
(weak spots, problem areas etc) would be appreciated. Also does anyone
know where I can find data on short field performance, fuel consumption
and general handling etc ?
Many Thanks (in advance)
Bob
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kilcoran_uk(at)yahoo.com
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 2:42 am Post subject: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? |
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DID RAY CLEGG NOT BUILD G BVZD ????
George Haines
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jangiolini
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 5:17 am Post subject: Re: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? |
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Hi George and everyone else,
Ray built G-BVZD which we now own and as was commented on, a very exacting builder he is. ZD has a very strong oleo noseleg and doesnt seem to suffer from fuel seepage from the tanks.
John.
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Keith.Miller(at)esa.int
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| Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:08 am Post subject: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1? |
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George
you are quite right, Ray built G-BVZD ( the KIS two place ) then G-BYZD (
Kis 4 place ) and then G-CCZD ( RV7 diesel) not sure what he is building
now , but it will be a good one and know doubt will have a registration
G-??ZD.
I do not know if that is the one that this group are thinking of buying ,but
i heard that it was for sale and there are not many of them in the UK so I
put 2 +2 together and got 5.
Keith.
From: haines george <kilcoran_uk(at)yahoo.com>
To: kis-list(at)matronics.com
Date: 02/11/2010 11:44
Subject: Re: What to look for when buying a Kiss TR-1?
Sent by: owner-kis-list-server(at)matronics.com
DID RAY CLEGG NOT BUILD G BVZD ????
George Haines
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